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desertgrandma · 03-03-2009, 06:27 PM

Looks like RM was still in L.A. at the dealership (its 4:30pm here).

She'll drive thru to Phoenix, and we'll meet for breakfast.

Don't know what the hold-up is.

ShortNCuddlyAm · 03-03-2009, 06:31 PM

That's a bummer

montsnmags · 03-03-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

Marc - put a tube in a 55 gallon drum.....

I did not drink the Kool-Aid; I did, however, drink the ZCD via a tube in a 55 gallon drum...

nekokami · 03-03-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Looks like RM was still in L.A. at the dealership (its 4:30pm here).

She'll drive thru to Phoenix, and we'll meet for breakfast.

Don't know what the hold-up is.

Disappointing. Hopefully everything will turn out well.

We can't wait for the report of the Great Meeting.

desertgrandma · 03-03-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

Disappointing. Hopefully everything will turn out well.

We can't wait for the report of the Great Meeting.

But...no pressure, right?

I'm thinking Cracker Barrel for breakfast. Right of the freeway, downtime minimized.

Sparrow · 03-04-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by montsnmags

In my experience as an amateur photographer, everyone is beautiful, and this can be revealed to others and the subject through photography..... Not capturing that is a failure of the photographer,

Does this just apply to people; or to everything else as well?

Can a good photographer make anything look beautiful?
And does that mean that everything is beautiful, or just that anything can be made to appear beautiful?

I think viewing the world through eyes that sees everyone as beautiful must be a wonderful way to live - but I'm having a hard time buying into it

.

I'm still in the 'eye of the beholder' camp (spiders are gorgeous!!

).

GeoffC · 03-04-2009, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

That's a bummer

I thought she may be getting a hummer!

electristan · 03-04-2009, 06:40 AM

In bed sick after haveing to walk 40 min in heavy rain yesterday. Browsing MR on my phone. Great mobile version of the site btw

montsnmags · 03-04-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

Does this just apply to people; or to everything else as well?

As per my opening phrase, I only speak from my own experience. I have a limited "range" of photography I practice. Aside from casual people photography, I do take photos of things in an urban landscape that people might find boring - certainly people wonder why I'm taking photos of some things (a streetlight, a small bit of plumbing against a brick wall, trolleys). Now that I'm somewhat out of the urban landscape, I find flotsam and jetsam to be subjects, and coastal patterns, and other details. In the latter's limited respect, I guess I do subsribe to Henry Miller's "The moment one gives close attention to anything, even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself".

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Can a good photographer make anything look beautiful?
And does that mean that everything is beautiful, or just that anything can be made to appear beautiful?

I don't think I make people look beautiful. Generally the subjects are often critical of my results, because I don't make the age-lines go away, or 'shop the blemishes or stray or unbrushed hair, and I frequently get crit'ed with "It's a shame they're not smiling" (I'm not a "Say cheese" kind of guy). People I take photos of rarely know I am about to take a photo of them, and are frequently not looking at me/the camera.

That is, I don't "make" people look beautiful. Anything in the photo was in the subject when I took it.

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I think viewing the world through eyes that sees everyone as beautiful must be a wonderful way to live - but I'm having a hard time buying into it

.

I think you're conflating the superficial "beauty" in individuals that I am suggesting into a metaphysical state and statement, and imposing on me the naive optimism of "rose-coloured glasses" that is quite significantly disconnected from my reality. I view the world, not proudly, through cynical eyes, often from a slough of despond that has me begging for airless and drowned relief. I struggle with social interaction, and reflexively recoil from the seeming all-pervasiveness of petit resentments, selfishness and disingenuousness. My "wonder" is not only that we live like this, but that we continue to live.

It is the apparent preoccupation by society and the media with dull, imposed, straightjacketed concepts of "beauty" (where the "ugly duckling" is only ever redeemed by becoming the "swan", and never redeemed by becoming "human" in the eyes of the critics...Shrek aside for the moment ~wry smile~) that makes me surprised, and yet not, when, no matter who I take photos of, they can appear "beautiful". That is, the result is not dependant on what may seem readily apparent to the eye (from general perceptions and quick judgements of "beauty" and "ugliness", to use the extremes).

Which is to say, beauty on the outside is easy...is there. But that metaphysical type...well, if I can't find it in myself...?

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I'm still in the 'eye of the beholder' camp (spiders are gorgeous!!

).

I agree. I like spiders...well, all arthropods...all invertebrates really...and vertebrates...basically animals...and plants too....rocks are nice...clouds...the sun...the moon.........

Cheers,
Marc

GeoffC · 03-04-2009, 06:42 AM

shifting muck ...

RWood · 03-04-2009, 09:54 AM

Waiting for a teleconference to start. This is far more enjoyable than the teleconference will be -- I've seen the agenda. Pity they force you to provide your own donuts at these things. At least at the old meetings they always provided them as a bribe or as something to play with so you didn't make too much of a scene.

nekokami · 03-04-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

Does this just apply to people; or to everything else as well?

Can a good photographer make anything look beautiful?
And does that mean that everything is beautiful, or just that anything can be made to appear beautiful?

I think viewing the world through eyes that sees everyone as beautiful must be a wonderful way to live - but I'm having a hard time buying into it

.

I'm still in the 'eye of the beholder' camp (spiders are gorgeous!!

).

I think a good photographer can help to reveal the underlying beauty in everything. But the viewer of the photograph has to be open to seeing the beauty, as well. This doesn't mean that I think "everything" is beautiful in an uncritical sense--poverty isn't beautiful. But people living in poverty can still be beautiful. I've seen some amazing photographs of the "mundane" that were quite sublime.

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Originally Posted by RWood

Waiting for a teleconference to start. This is far more enjoyable than the teleconference will be -- I've seen the agenda. Pity they force you to provide your own donuts at these things. At least at the old meetings they always provided them as a bribe or as something to play with so you didn't make too much of a scene.

At least you can play minesweeper (or whatever your video game of choice is) during the conference call. Or chat with us!

badgoodDeb · 03-04-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by montsnmags

It is the apparent preoccupation by society and the media with dull, imposed, straightjacketed concepts of "beauty"......That is, the result is not dependant on what may seem readily apparent to the eye (from general perceptions and quick judgements of "beauty" and "ugliness", to use the extremes).

I agree. I like spiders...well, all arthropods...all invertebrates really...and vertebrates...basically animals...and plants too....rocks are nice...clouds...the sun...the moon.........

Cheers,
Marc

Wow!! For an interfenestral monkey and occasionally a crazed Adrian, this guy is a profound thinker. And I do enjoy your photographs, what I've seen of them. Give us more!

nekokami · 03-04-2009, 05:46 PM

What I am doing right now: having an anxiety attack. Dammit, tonight is the class I actually like.

Patricia · 03-04-2009, 05:47 PM

Neko, I wish that there was something I could do to make you feel better.

03-03-2009, 06:27 PM	#3466
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	Looks like RM was still in L.A. at the dealership (its 4:30pm here). She'll drive thru to Phoenix, and we'll meet for breakfast. Don't know what the hold-up is.

03-03-2009, 06:31 PM	#3467
ShortNCuddlyAm WWHALD Posts: 7,879 Karma: 337114 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mitcham, Surrey, UK Device: iPad. Selling my silver 505 here	That's a bummer

03-04-2009, 06:40 AM	#3473
electristan newbie reader Posts: 102 Karma: 2122142 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oslo Device: reMarkable, Boox T68, Kobo Mini, Nook STR, Sony PRS-505	In bed sick after haveing to walk 40 min in heavy rain yesterday. Browsing MR on my phone. Great mobile version of the site btw

03-04-2009, 06:42 AM	#3475
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	shifting muck ...

03-04-2009, 09:54 AM	#3476
RWood Technogeezer Posts: 7,233 Karma: 1601464 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Device: Sony PRS-500	Waiting for a teleconference to start. This is far more enjoyable than the teleconference will be -- I've seen the agenda. Pity they force you to provide your own donuts at these things. At least at the old meetings they always provided them as a bribe or as something to play with so you didn't make too much of a scene.

03-04-2009, 05:46 PM	#3479
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	What I am doing right now: having an anxiety attack. Dammit, tonight is the class I actually like.

03-04-2009, 05:47 PM	#3480
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	Neko, I wish that there was something I could do to make you feel better.