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Old 02-28-2009, 08:08 PM   #136
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...Its a public service, and I expect ads there.
It's a what? I am sure you mistyped.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:38 PM   #137
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I might be the odd one out but I have made it nearly a mission in life Not to buy the loud, irritating, flashily advertised doodads. I don't care if it's the best thing since sliced bread, I really don't even care if it will save the world... if you piss me off with your advertising, you lose my $.

The overly loud tv commercial which makes me have to adjust the sound every 30-60 seconds is the worst. Some moron is actually getting Paid to come up with that garbage and they're allowed to... they assault our ears and insult our intelligence... do you buy that stuff? I don't, I won't.
I'll buy something else or do without.

When it comes to ebooks, it won't matter "how" they do it, it won't work with or for me. In paperbacks, the first thing to go are the irritating inserted cardboard pages stuck in the center of the book-I don't look at them so I doubt I buy whatever they are advertising.

Magazines? Yep, I'm the one that probably drives the store clerks crazy. If I'm buying it, all the fly away junk stuck in the thing I've ALREADY paid for get left behind. Publishing seems to have taken to the idea that... they can charge us for an item that they then "sell" to other folks in the form of advertising. To me, that's theft... similar to the cable example I gave earlier. Don't tell me I have to pay to watch movies then break them up in chunks to make even more $ at My expense.

So no. I won't be buying ebooks with ads in them. If need be, I'll sell the reader and go back to paperbacks that I can tear them out of so I'm not bothered with it.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:50 PM   #138
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I don't buy products with ads that annoy or insult me. I still won't buy Snapple because I found their ads offensive. And we tell the kids, "if you saw it on TV, we're not buying it." (Which is not entirely true, and the kids are now old enough to start realizing it. But they do get the idea that, if their interest is because of ads rather than a considered desire, we won't be purchasing the item.)

I don't mind the long-standing publisher's habit of "and here's a list of similar books we publish" at the end of a book. I have trouble even thinking of that as an "ad." However, I can't imagine anyone will be subsidizing the cost of the book in order to include those.

Google ads in ebooks would be fine. I don't expect they'd work, though... because they only work for Google because people can click on them. Ebooks are generally read by one person, not thousands; including a half-page nuisance that most people skip past, and causes a few to stop purchasing books from that publisher, and one in a hundred *considers* investigating... isn't going to have enough return to lower the price of the book.

To make ads-in-ebooks work, the advertising industry would have to get a lot more sensible about their targeting--and their expected results.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:40 PM   #139
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It's a what? I am sure you mistyped.
Okay, great point, maybe not a "public service".

Whats the term I want.....................public search engine.

Or is it a 'private' search engine?

Whichever, I expect to find ads, and since I use firefox, they are minimal.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:13 AM   #140
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hehehehe....sorry had to tease you a tad there.

FYI, Firefox has no special magic abilities to block ads any more than other browsers out there. IE has add-on's, FF has plug-in's and then there is always what every user should avail themselves of, the HOSTS file, update it regularly, learn about it and then lock it down with your PC's firewall software your system uses one.

I use 'em all and they all can do the job when setup correctly. It all starts with a good HOSTS file though. Even on Linux, Mac or Windows...

And, oh yeah, Google, this site and any other commercial/privately operated sites are all controlled access proprietary properties. It is why there are EULA's for them. "Public" as used above implies owned or supported by public funds...open to the public, different animal. Damn this internet thingy anyways!! It was more fun when it really was free and open...seriously. AOL ruined it for everyone.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:22 AM   #141
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and for those who are polarized against ads in books...do ads stop you from using the internet now? I know the tin foil hatters out there will take things to their most perilous extreme before even seeing what could be done or how we all might benefit from them, or not. If there is a reasonable way to reduce costs, perhaps it is worth looking at them before passing judgement.

And FYI, as I stated in my first post, I am on the fence about ads in ebooks as a revenue stream for publishers, developers, device makers and retailers. And seems in general others are as well. Was simply curious what the opinions were. It was fun getting caught up on the discussion. Good points on both sides of the fence...
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I have no objection to ads on the net... I don't pay for it so I have no real say in it. I Will say that I tend to avoid the flashing ad sites as much as I can.

As for the rest, well, no tinfoil hat here, though I highly doubt there'd be a price reduction on ebooks with ads... just another fee added to the current price to cover... "expenses". Everyone will have a different opinion on this and that's fine... only you know what you're willing to put up with in items you've paid for.

Definitely an interesting discussion.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:58 AM   #143
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And how about the one type of targeted advertizing that was discussed in an other similar thread? In this, the text is part of advertizing, the same way product placement is featured in some movies. Ex:

- The detective left the building after his investigation was done. As he walked to his car, his eyes lingered slowly on the curvy shapes of a Chevrolet Corvette. He thought, "Why don't we get service cars like that?" -

Of course things like that will not work with classics.
That is subtle advertising, and in 'modern' literature often unavoidable - because it doesn't interrupt the flow of the story. In other words it doesn't intrude.
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Old 03-01-2009, 05:34 AM   #144
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Google isn't a book I bought and paid for.

Its a public service, and I expect ads there.
I was really responding to this thought:

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Has no one here considered that if they were 'unobtrusive' and 'out of the way' and you 'didn't have to go thru them to get to where you wanted to go'..........

Why would the advertisers bother with ads that would be ignored??? Thats just stupidity!

They will want their ads where you HAVE to look at them.

Google ads remain successful despite being unobtrusive. There is the possibility for similar ads in ebooks. However I agree with Elfwreck that they probably wont be effective unless ebook readers become more integrated with the internet.

Another possibility that occurred to me is the certain keywords in the book could be linked to websites. For example, clicking on the name of a city mentioned in the book could take you to a travel agent's website. If certain products are mentioned then clicking them could take you to websites that sell them. I'm not suggesting that authors engage in product placement but that companies could have their products associated to keywords in the book and if the reader is interested in these keywords then clicking them goes to the company's website.
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Google ads remain successful despite being unobtrusive. There is the possibility for similar ads in ebooks. However I agree with Elfwreck that they probably wont be effective unless ebook readers become more integrated with the internet.

Another possibility that occurred to me is the certain keywords in the book could be linked to websites. For example, clicking on the name of a city mentioned in the book could take you to a travel agent's website. If certain products are mentioned then clicking them could take you to websites that sell them. I'm not suggesting that authors engage in product placement but that companies could have their products associated to keywords in the book and if the reader is interested in these keywords then clicking them goes to the company's website.

Perish the thought that every 5 words (say) in a novel were hyperlinked (and likely in another colour/font.

Advertisments are intrusive enough these days; I always thought, and expect, that novels would 'take me away from the norm' - not give me instant gratification with an ad....
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:20 PM   #146
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No damnit if i pay for it i dont wanna buy the ads
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:33 PM   #147
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All this talk is almost making me wish of going back to pbooks.
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I notice the poll results still seem to be pretty even. I just wonder if the results can be as simple as dividing respondents into "readers" or "browsers"? Those of us who read just to read absolutely despise anything which interrupts our "reading fugue" (even pull-quotes become annoying) whereas "browsers" are so used to being able to extract content from the standard ad-heavy webpage that ads have become all but invisible to them?
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I notice the poll results still seem to be pretty even. I just wonder if the results can be as simple as dividing respondents into "readers" or "browsers"? Those of us who read just to read absolutely despise anything which interrupts our "reading fugue" (even pull-quotes become annoying) whereas "browsers" are so used to being able to extract content from the standard ad-heavy webpage that ads have become all but invisible to them?
This poll is flawed. The poll topic is the opposite of the poll question. I bet many people voted wrong.

If should be done if you want to get accurate results. You can create a new on with a link to it... then report the post and ask the mods to close this thread.


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This poll is flawed. The poll topic is the opposite of the poll question. I bet many people voted wrong.

If should be done if you want to get accurate results. You can create a new on with a link to it... then report the post and ask the mods to close this thread.


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Flawed? really? This is a board with members who are prideful of their literacy and comprehension. How is the poll flawed if the reader does not indeed read the actual question?

Or does you comment refer to other, ahem, issues?
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