Find and Replace Buttons

Thasaidon · 09-03-2018, 08:56 AM

I have been using the "Find and Replace" buttons a lot recently. This has led me to notice, that I have been making an error in choosing some buttons, than I would like.

Specifically when I think I have pressed the "Count All" button, I find I have pressed the "Replace All" button.

So I am making this suggestion to start a discussion.

Suggestion

Point 1. Put the Count All and Find buttons in the left hand column and make them the size of the current Count All button.
Point 2. Put the remaining buttons in the right hand column with Replace All at the top and make these buttons he size of the current Find button.

Turtle91 · 09-03-2018, 12:34 PM

I have never, ever, ever done that...but a friend of mine has - repeatedly. He would concur with you...

BetterRed · 09-03-2018, 07:43 PM

Suggestion: drop the "Count All" down a row, viz:

And maybe get rid of hard to see 'hide options row' button

Or use the keyboard shortcuts

BR

DiapDealer · 09-03-2018, 08:18 PM

We're not going to "get rid of" any buttons from the F&R widget.

We'll certainly take suggestions for improvements under advisement, but there's going to have to be some pretty compelling arguments from lots of disaffected users for us to consider reordering a long-standing button arrangement on a heavily used part of the Sigil gui. Those kind of changes often end up annoying more people than they appease.

Thasaidon · 09-03-2018, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Suggestion: drop the "Count All" down a row, viz:

And maybe get rid of hard to see 'hide options row' button

Or use the keyboard shortcuts

BR

That would work and is a minimal change. I wish I had thought of that.

Thasaidon · 09-03-2018, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

We're not going to "get rid of" any buttons from the F&R widget.

We'll certainly take suggestions for improvements under advisement, but there's going to have to be some pretty compelling arguments from lots of disaffected users for us to consider reordering a long-standing button arrangement on a heavily used part of the Sigil gui. Those kind of changes often end up annoying more people than they appease.

I support BetterRed's suggestion as it is a minimal change, which would probably do the job without upsetting anyone.

BetterRed · 09-03-2018, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

I support BetterRed's suggestion as it is a minimal change, which would probably do the job without upsetting anyone.

Catch23: Currently the Count All button is member of the Options row. If it was moved into the Mode row it wouldn't disappear when the Option row was hidden as it does now. And when the Options row was hidden it would be back where it is now, then you and Turtle91's friend would be no better off than you are now

Hence my 'maybe get rid of...' statement.

BR

Turtle91 · 09-03-2018, 10:49 PM

My friend didn't even know about the options button until it was brought up in a very recent thread...he's pretty dense sometimes... He also wouldn't ever turn off the options row as he uses those functions 95% of the time....or so I would think, knowing him as I do.

Thasaidon · 09-03-2018, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Catch23: Currently the Count All button is member of the Options row. If it was moved into the Mode row it wouldn't disappear when the Option row was hidden as it does now. And when the Options row was hidden it would be back where it is now, then you and Turtle91's friend would be no better off than you are now

Hence my 'maybe get rid of...' statement.

BR

There is always something...

Personally I never hide the options row.

BetterRed · 09-03-2018, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

There is always something...

Personally I never hide the options row.

Didn't know I could until DiapDealer pointed it out in a recent post, like Turtle91's friend and the button I too am pretty dim at times

theducks · 09-04-2018, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Didn't know I could until DiapDealer pointed it out in a recent post, like Turtle91's friend and the button I too am pretty dim at times

your

The one thing that has always bothered me in Sigil UI: is the dangerous DELETE being the top item in the book browser context menu. (I have avoided this, but...)

DiapDealer · 09-04-2018, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

The one thing that has always bothered me in Sigil UI: is the dangerous DELETE being the top item in the book browser context menu. (I have avoided this, but...)

Well it's not THAT dangerous.

You'd have to accidentally activate the "Delete" context action on a highlighted file (or files) in the Book Browser, then accidentally confirm that accidental deletion via the resulting--and highly visible--delete-confirmation dialog, and then save the epub after making those two hard-to-make-without-knowing-it mistakes before any real damage could occur. It's certainly no more dangerous than accidentally hitting the delete key with a file highlighted. "Whoops, better cancel that."

theducks · 09-04-2018, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Well it's not THAT dangerous.

You'd have to accidentally activate the "Delete" context action on a highlighted file (or files) in the Book Browser, then accidentally confirm that accidental deletion via the resulting--and highly visible--delete-confirmation dialog, and then save the epub after making those two hard-to-make-without-knowing-it mistakes before any real damage could occur. It's certainly no more dangerous than accidentally hitting the delete key with a file highlighted. "Whoops, better cancel that."

True
Sigil isn't the only one to put Delete first. Just makes me wonder why it gets 'top billing'

, when I use a number of the others more frequently

BetterRed · 09-04-2018, 06:22 PM

On the subject of Sigil's UI; I've been wondering about this since I first used Sigil:

Is there a keyboard way of giving the Book Browser panel keyboard focus. If not, something like Alt+Tab to cycle through the currently displayed panels (Book Browser, Code/Book View, Preview, Validation etc) would be nice. And, there is no visual indication of which panel has keyboard focus, changing the title bar background colour would be the obvious way.

@theducks - in an ideal world users would have control of where options are placed in menus. And to some degree what options even appear.

BR

odamizu · 09-05-2018, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

We're not going to "get rid of" any buttons from the F&R widget ...

Whew! Thank you. I am not enough of a power user to even understand the advanced options, so I always hide them and appreciate being able to toggle it away.

That said, I'd be curious if someone has the time to explain what the options mean: DotAll? Minimal Match? Auto-Tokenise?

The only one I understand is Wrap

09-03-2018, 08:56 AM	#1
Thasaidon Hedge Wizard Posts: 802 Karma: 19999999 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK/Philippines Device: Kobo Touch, Nook Simple	Find and Replace Buttons I have been using the "Find and Replace" buttons a lot recently. This has led me to notice, that I have been making an error in choosing some buttons, than I would like. Specifically when I think I have pressed the "Count All" button, I find I have pressed the "Replace All" button. So I am making this suggestion to start a discussion. Suggestion Point 1. Put the Count All and Find buttons in the left hand column and make them the size of the current Count All button. Point 2. Put the remaining buttons in the right hand column with Replace All at the top and make these buttons he size of the current Find button. Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2018, 07:43 PM	#3
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,722 Karma: 29711016 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Suggestion: drop the "Count All" down a row, viz: And maybe get rid of hard to see 'hide options row' button Or use the keyboard shortcuts BR Last edited by BetterRed; 09-03-2018 at 07:50 PM. Reason: image too big

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Turtle91 A Hairy Wizard Posts: 3,348 Karma: 20171571 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Charleston, SC today Device: iPhone 15/11/X/6/iPad 1,2,Air & Air Pro/Surface Pro/Kindle PW & Fire	I have never, ever, ever done that...but a friend of mine has - repeatedly. He would concur with you...

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DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,569 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	We're not going to "get rid of" any buttons from the F&R widget. We'll certainly take suggestions for improvements under advisement, but there's going to have to be some pretty compelling arguments from lots of disaffected users for us to consider reordering a long-standing button arrangement on a heavily used part of the Sigil gui. Those kind of changes often end up annoying more people than they appease.

09-03-2018, 10:49 PM	#8
Turtle91 A Hairy Wizard Posts: 3,348 Karma: 20171571 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Charleston, SC today Device: iPhone 15/11/X/6/iPad 1,2,Air & Air Pro/Surface Pro/Kindle PW & Fire	My friend didn't even know about the options button until it was brought up in a very recent thread...he's pretty dense sometimes... He also wouldn't ever turn off the options row as he uses those functions 95% of the time....or so I would think, knowing him as I do.

09-04-2018, 06:22 PM	#14
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,722 Karma: 29711016 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	On the subject of Sigil's UI; I've been wondering about this since I first used Sigil: Is there a keyboard way of giving the Book Browser panel keyboard focus. If not, something like Alt+Tab to cycle through the currently displayed panels (Book Browser, Code/Book View, Preview, Validation etc) would be nice. And, there is no visual indication of which panel has keyboard focus, changing the title bar background colour would be the obvious way. @theducks - in an ideal world users would have control of where options are placed in menus. And to some degree what options even appear. BR