George Bush has a Kindle - WARNING: Politics

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by Gideon

I know... This crap just makes my teeth hurt. If I compare him to Hitler does that automatically end the conversation via Godwin's Law?

HitlerHitlerHitler
*hoping to magically invoke Godwin and shut down this thread*

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I already answered this quesiton. Re-read my message. So, all the problems out country is in were clinton's fault... and 8 years of Bush was not enough to fix them all? It I recall we had budget surplusses during the final Clinton terms. Actually, if you go back through history the most finanicals growth and prosperity was under democratic presendents.

BTW: I didn't here anyone here say Obama was perfect. I think he just said, give the guy a chance. He's only been at it for a few weeks.

BOb

I didn't say all; I said most. And the whole point of that was to put Bush's mistakes in a historically accurate perspective. It is not valid to criticize Bush alone when his predecessor or successor agreed with his goal or action, especially when they are of different parties.

[Seabound]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Bush might have f***ed up after 9-11, but that is only becuase he inherited the problem from Clinton.

That's really logic at its best. Bush fucked up, and it was Clinton's fault.

Ah, it's always a Clinton's fault, and now there is even a choice of which sex, male or female--pick one. Or better yet, pick both, it's more fun that way. You know that spoiled milk in the fridge--that's the Clintons' fault.

And what about that Dick Cheney--best darned vice-president evah!

From the 9/11 Commission Report, Section 6.4.

Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration, Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her--and the new President--to give terrorism very high priority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during the last few months of the previous administration. After Rice requested that all senior staff identify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives, Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached to it his 1998 Delenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper. "We urgently need...a Principals level review on the al Qida network," Clarke wrote.

...

The national security advisor did not respond directly to Clarke's memorandum. No Principals Committee meeting on al Qaeda was held until September 4, 2001 (although the Principals Committee met frequently on other subjects, such as the Middle East peace process, Russia, and the Persian Gulf).

[Sonist]

Funny how so many are convinced that GW is just stupid. Even when you ran Bush, a Yale graduate and with an MBA from Harvard, against a guy who flunked out of divinity school with five Fs out of eight classes, Bush was still painted as the dumber one.

Right before Bush won his first national election, a left-leaning journalist who traveled with him during the campaign, noted that everyone has always underestimated GW, and everyone has always paid a price for it.

He also went on to tell how GW seems to be a uniquely skillful politician, with little tolerance of dissent, and how he buried anyone who opposed him in the Texas Republican Party. Prophetically, he predicted that this is what Bush would do to the national Republican Party.

Bush is the worst President I am aware of.

I think a decent case can be made for treason, for his entering into a neocon Middle-East-reshaping pipe-dream war, which was clearly against important American interests.

He never saw a spending bill he didn't like, particularly if it benefited Big Business. His populist/Big Pharma bill will weigh on our financial backs decades from now.

He gutted the Republican Party of fiscal conservatives, and turned it into a single-issue religious freak show. (O.K., two issues: gay marriage and abortion.)

On the international front, he alienated old allies, made new enemies and handed Iran a regional super-power status, while ignoring South America's populist leftist dictators, who were busy solidifying their positions.

What I am trying to say is, GW may have been a terrible President for most of us, but stupid he was not.

(On the other hand, he had the "ugly" Kindle....)

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Sonist

What I am trying to say is, GW may have been a terrible President for most of us, but stupid he was not.

(On the other hand, he had the "ugly" Kindle....)

Well, I think his looks might have contributed to this as well... I'm sorry, but he doesn't look like the smartest guy around... (so the "ugly" kindle would fit him )


All I would like to say about it, give Obama a chance. He took over at one of the worst times, right at the start of a world wide economic crisis.

Also, the more "famous" people start using e-ink devices, the more attention will be given to it and the more people will want one. Which is only good, as that will, eventually, bring the prices down.

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

I bet y'all voted for the "change" candidate. Let's see what he's changed:

sold out to more industries;
more of his cabinet is under criminal investigation;
more deficit;
more taxes;
more form over substance.

Yep. You elected the right guy. Good work.

I'm not certain about the "right" guy (whoever he/she might be or have been), but I sure as hell know who the wrong guy was - and he's now out of office.



Don

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by Sonist

Funny how so many are convinced that GW is just stupid. Even when you ran Bush, a Yale graduate and with an MBA from Harvard, against a guy who flunked out of divinity school with five Fs out of eight classes, Bush was still painted as the dumber one.

Right before Bush won his first national election, a left-leaning journalist who traveled with him during the campaign, noted that everyone has always underestimated GW, and everyone has always paid a price for it.

He also went on to tell how GW seems to be a uniquely skillful politician, with little tolerance of dissent, and how he buried anyone who opposed him in the Texas Republican Party. Prophetically, he predicted that this is what Bush would do to the national Republican Party.

Bush is the worst President I am aware of.

I think a decent case can be made for treason, for his entering into a neocon Middle-East-reshaping pipe-dream war, which was clearly against important American interests.

He never saw a spending bill he didn't like, particularly if it benefited Big Business. His populist/Big Pharma bill will weigh on our financial backs decades from now.

He gutted the Republican Party of fiscal conservatives, and turned it into a single-issue religious freak show. (O.K., two issues: gay marriage and abortion.)

On the international front, he alienated old allies, made new enemies and handed Iran a regional super-power status, while ignoring South America's populist leftist dictators, who were busy solidifying their positions.

What I am trying to say is, GW may have been a terrible President for most of us, but stupid he was not.

(On the other hand, he had the "ugly" Kindle....)

I am in agreement with almost everything you said.


Don

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by Seabound

That's really logic at its best. Bush fucked up, and it was Clinton's fault.

Ah, it's always a Clinton's fault, and now there is even a choice of which sex, male or female--pick one. Or better yet, pick both, it's more fun that way. You know that spoiled milk in the fridge--that's the Clintons' fault.

And what about that Dick Cheney--best darned vice-president evah!

I didn't say it was always Clinton's fault or even completely his fault. But 8 years vs 8 months? It's _mostly_ Clinton's fault, certainly.

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by Alisa

HitlerHitlerHitler
*hoping to magically invoke Godwin and shut down this thread*

As long as everyone remains respectful, the airing of opinions about Kindle/Bush will have my vote to remain open.

Don

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by Gideon

Oh bloody hell... it was a joke. Give it up already. This isn't the place.

Sorry, but the posters will decide to leave it at that or not - as long as everyone is respectful.

You're certainly welcome to not contribute, if that is your choice.


Don

[Spartacus2112]

Uh-oh....politics...I was advised to never speak about them. Does this mean that everyone is going to trade in their Kindle because Bush uses one? The topic mentions only that Bush uses a Kindle, not what he did or did not do in office, not how many times he used the word "nucular" or mis-remembered other things.
I take it that most people here voted for the "Change" ticket! If you did, great, then change already, and move on!

[rhadin]

Originally Posted by Gideon

The fact that he's reading is pretty shocking....

Actually, he and Karl Rove had a contest to see who could read the most books each year. The last year reported, Rove won at 125 books, with W reading 110 (I'm pretty sure I remember the figures correctly; I do know for certain it was over 100 each).

[pshrynk]

A stupid person would have not been able to get re-elected. Elected, yes. I have a lot of issues with the way that the country was run for the past 8 years and a lot of issues with how it is being run right now. But I do everything I must in order to maintain respect for the office. I think it's cool that Bush has a Kindle. Almost as cool as the fact that he's retired.

[Lemurion]

I don't always agree with former President Bush or his policies - however one of the kids sent a letter to the White House before 9/11 and got a very much pro-reading response - so that he has a Kindle doesn't surprise me.

I think it's too early to tell whether Barack Obama will go down as a good or bad President, but I do think it was time for a move away from the religious and social policies of the Republicans and the religious right.

My own theory is that we should alternate the left and right in the hopes at least some of the mistakes on both sides cancel out.

[Sydney's Mom]

Originally Posted by Gideon

The fact that he's reading is pretty shocking....

I'll leave it at that.

Well, he didn't for the last eight years (especially history)!