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Old 04-28-2018, 07:23 AM   #961
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how someone who is not from England can remember who Oliver Cromwell was, and what he did, and who Thomas Cromwell was, and what he did. I can't (haven't yet) gotten them straight! I'm sure every schoolchild in England has got that down pat.

I need some kind of mnemonic device . . . .
Sometimes it's easier just to remember. Two different men, two different ages. But how's this for a mnemonic? Thomas Cromwell was adviser to Thomas Wolsey and brought down Thomas More, same first name, so Old Noll was the other one. But as for the deeds, knowing the history of their respective eras in itself would include what each did and I'm not sure a mnemonic would serve to fill in such gaps.

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Shadow of Power The Council on Foreign Relations And The American Decline by James Perloff. (free)
The book is especially unique because it not only describes scores of underreported events, but elucidates them by showing their common thread: the influence of the internationalist Establishment of the United States. If the Establishment is elusive in its identity, it certainly has a perceptible face in the Council on Foreign Relations, and that is what the author has centered on.
This is not just a book about an organization. It is a book about history. You might call it "the other side of American history from Wilson on" because it tells the "other side" ofmany stories that even the self-proclaimed inside information specialists, such as Jack Anderson and Bob Woodward, didn't or wouldn't report.
It has been said that those who do not know the past are condemned to repeat it. But how can we truly understand an incident in our American past if we are confined to the headline version, designed for public consumption in the interest of protecting the powerful and the few? The Shadows of Power has resurrected eight decades of censored material. Don't let anyone censor it for you now. Read the book and decide for yourself its merit. Your outlook, and perhaps your future itself, will never be the same.

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Sometimes it's easier just to remember. Two different men, two different ages. But how's this for a mnemonic? Thomas Cromwell was adviser to Thomas Wolsey and brought down Thomas More, same first name, so Old Noll was the other one. But as for the deeds, knowing the history of their respective eras in itself would include what each did and I'm not sure a mnemonic would serve to fill in such gaps.
I first learned who Oliver Cromwell was reading 1066 and All That as a teen.

Just as my first introduction to Shakespeare was The Twisted Tales of Shakespeare.
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I first learned who Oliver Cromwell was reading 1066 and All That as a teen.

Just as my first introduction to Shakespeare was The Twisted Tales of Shakespeare.
I've never heard of 1066 and All That or its authors. Too bad there is no Kindle edition.

But I was never able to pay attention in class in high school, so I sat in the back and read books by Art Buchwald, Richard Armour, and Harvard Lampoon special editions. I'm sure The Twisted Tales of Shakespeare must have been one of the Armour books. No Kindle version for those either.
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Sometimes it's easier just to remember. Two different men, two different ages. But how's this for a mnemonic? Thomas Cromwell was adviser to Thomas Wolsey and brought down Thomas More, same first name, so Old Noll was the other one. But as for the deeds, knowing the history of their respective eras in itself would include what each did and I'm not sure a mnemonic would serve to fill in such gaps.
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Charles found the people a cruel corrector;
Oliver Cromwell was called Lord Protector;
Charles the Second was hid in an oak,
James the Second took Popery's yoke.
William and Mary were offered the throne,
Anne succeeded and reigned alone.
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I stand corrected! What a fun link; thanks.

I have to note that George the Third wasn't loved in all parts of the land.
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Charles found the people a cruel corrector;
Oliver Cromwell was called Lord Protector;
Charles the Second was hid in an oak,
James the Second took Popery's yoke.
William and Mary were offered the throne,
Anne succeeded and reigned alone.
Wow! Now we need a mnemonic for the mnemonic!
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Charles found the people a cruel corrector;
Oliver Cromwell was called Lord Protector;
Charles the Second was hid in an oak,
James the Second took Popery's yoke.
William and Mary were offered the throne,
Anne succeeded and reigned alone.
I was thinking that there had to be a poem about them. Now, if I can just memorize the poem . . . .

That is a type of mnemonic device--a good one at that. Songs are, too. Many, if not most, oral traditions, especially in illiterate societies, were passed down by one or both. Homer's (if indeed Homer was the composer--it's questioned by some people) works were in a type of poetry--some kind of hexameter (that kind of poetry wasn't the rhyming kind, even in Greek--it was based upon syllables in a line, if I'm not mistaken). Look how long they've endured. Homer lived in about 600 B.C.; it's A.D. 2018 now . . . . so, about 2,600 years. Not bad.

I'll always remember how many whacks Lizzie Borden gave her mother and how many whacks she gave her father, because of poetry (no, I don't see why I need to know that, but work with me here, okay?):
Lizzie Borden took an axe,
And gave her mother forty whacks;
When she saw what she had done,
She gave her father forty-one.


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Will anyone be needing the textbook Hurn, B. and Tomalin, B. - Cross-Cultural Communication: Theory and Practice for summer school? If so, I can tell you how to save a ton of money, even over Amazon's rental price.

The format will be either/both ePub and PDF, I think. No mobi; again, I think.
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Will anyone be needing the textbook Hurn, B. and Tomalin, B. - Cross-Cultural Communication: Theory and Practice for summer school? If so, I can tell you how to save a ton of money, even over Amazon's rental price.

The format will be either/both ePub and PDF, I think. No mobi; again, I think.
I'm interested, thanks. Links, please.

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Sorry, it was a "daily deal." It had been on Palgrave's "daily deal" page. Anyway, this is the book's webpage; you can at least see what I meant by "save a ton of money."

I don't know when the changeover occurred. I've just recently started following Palgrave DoD's, but it appeared that their "deal of the day" actually occurs "once every two days." I thought that the deal wouldn't change over until the end of the day tomorrow (well, today, if you're in the U.S. EST).

For anyone who is interested, "today's" "deal of the day" is White, G. - Audience Participation in Theatre. It's "only" 75% off, though. For that reason, I probably wouldn't have posted it.

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I can't (haven't yet) gotten them straight! I'm sure every schoolchild in England has got that down pat.

I need some kind of mnemonic device . . . .
How about a song for the Monarchs?




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I'm William the Conqueror
My enemies stood no chance
They call me the first English king
Although I come from France

1066, the Doomsday book
I gave to history
So fat on death my body burst
But enough about me

To help remember all your kings
I've come up with this song
A simple rhyming ditty
For you all to sing along

Oh, William
(Bit short init? We need more kings. Who came next?)

William second, cheeks were red
Killed out hunting, so it's said
I took over, Henry one
That's my next eldest son

Then King Stephen, it's true check it!
Hi, Henry two, killed Thomas Beckett
Richard Lionheart? That's right!
Always spoiling for a fight

Oh King John, what a disaster
Rule restrained by Magna Carta

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Time for my mate, King Henry eight
To take up this song

Henry three built the abbey
Ed one hated Scots
A red hot poker killed Ed two
That must have hurt him lots

Edward third was a chivalry nerd
Began the hundred years war
Then Richard two was king aged ten
Then Henry, yes one more

King Henry four, plots galore
Not least from Henry five, why?
Killed ten score at Agincourt
Then Henry six arrived

Edward four, Edward five
Richard the third, he's bad
'Cause he fought wars with Henry seventh
First Tudor and my dad

So Henry eight, I was great
Six wives, two were beheaded
Edward the sixth came next, but he died young
And so my dreaded
Daughter Mary ruled, so scary
Then along came... me
I'm Liz the first, I had no kids
So Tudors RIP

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
That's me, time for more men

James six of Scotland next
Is English James the first he led
Then Stuarts ruled, so Charles the first
The one who lost his head

No monarchy until came me
Charles two, I liked to party
King Jimmy two was scary, woooh
Then Mary was a smarty

She ruled with Bill, their shoes were filled
By sourpuss Queen Anne Gloria
And so from then, you were ruled by men
Till along came me Victoria

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
Still to come, it's Queen Victoria

And so began the Hanover gang
George one and George two (grim)
Then George the third was quite absurd
Till I replaced old him

King George the fourth and known henceforth
As angry, fat and cross (hang on)
It's true you beat Napoleon
But were mostly a dead loss (bang on)

Old William four was a sailor (ahoy)
It's nearly the end of the story-a
As onto the scene comes the best loved queen
Hail to Queen Victoria

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
George, George, George, George
Will, Victoria
Victoria Victoria Victoria

(I ruled for sixty four years, you know.)

Ed seven, George five
Then Ed, George sixth
Liz two then reigned and how
And so our famous monarch song
Is brought right up to now, oh

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
George, George, George, George
Will, Victoria
Edward, George, Edward, George six
And Queen Liz two completes the mix

That's all the English kings and queens
Since William first that there have been

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I had no idea that so many places were named after him. It's interesting that all (I think) of the first hits on Google, when I did a cursory search of his name, were about the little town in Mississippi. The mountain in Australia is certainly larger. More people might see the general's name from the street sign in _downtown_ Los Angeles than see it concerning the town in Mississippi. But the town gets all of the first few(?) hits. Being Winfrey's hometown probably helps.

Koscius(z)ko really must have been "somebody" in his day. I'm glad that Charles River Editors has, in effect, acknowledged that by creating this book about him. Thanks, Little.Egret, for posting it, and all of the CRE books that you do.
How could there be a discussion of things named after Kosciuszko without a mention of the Kosciuszko Bridge between Brooklyn and Queens? Especially when the bridge was rebuilt recently, and the old one was blown up in a controlled explosion just last fall.

No one knows quite how to pronounce the name of the bridge (Polish pronunciation, American pronunciation, hybrid pronunciation)--it was amusing to listen to various news anchors and reporters and officials with their varying takes on the name (there was some controversy about the explosion, so it was in the news for a bit).
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Seeing the Horrible Histories video reminded me of buying Horrible Histories books on business trips to the UK when my son was much younger. He loved the ones I brought home, and I'd look in the used bookstores along Charing Cross Road (now mostly gone, I seem to remember from my last vacation there) to pick them up for him.

Just checked and some are available as e-books, although not inexpensive. I may have to buy one or two just for the memories - although he's probably outgrown them, I'm not sure I have...

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How about a song for the Monarchs?




Spoiler:
I'm William the Conqueror
My enemies stood no chance
They call me the first English king
Although I come from France

1066, the Doomsday book
I gave to history
So fat on death my body burst
But enough about me

To help remember all your kings
I've come up with this song
A simple rhyming ditty
For you all to sing along

Oh, William
(Bit short init? We need more kings. Who came next?)

William second, cheeks were red
Killed out hunting, so it's said
I took over, Henry one
That's my next eldest son

Then King Stephen, it's true check it!
Hi, Henry two, killed Thomas Beckett
Richard Lionheart? That's right!
Always spoiling for a fight

Oh King John, what a disaster
Rule restrained by Magna Carta

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Time for my mate, King Henry eight
To take up this song

Henry three built the abbey
Ed one hated Scots
A red hot poker killed Ed two
That must have hurt him lots

Edward third was a chivalry nerd
Began the hundred years war
Then Richard two was king aged ten
Then Henry, yes one more

King Henry four, plots galore
Not least from Henry five, why?
Killed ten score at Agincourt
Then Henry six arrived

Edward four, Edward five
Richard the third, he's bad
'Cause he fought wars with Henry seventh
First Tudor and my dad

So Henry eight, I was great
Six wives, two were beheaded
Edward the sixth came next, but he died young
And so my dreaded
Daughter Mary ruled, so scary
Then along came... me
I'm Liz the first, I had no kids
So Tudors RIP

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
That's me, time for more men

James six of Scotland next
Is English James the first he led
Then Stuarts ruled, so Charles the first
The one who lost his head

No monarchy until came me
Charles two, I liked to party
King Jimmy two was scary, woooh
Then Mary was a smarty

She ruled with Bill, their shoes were filled
By sourpuss Queen Anne Gloria
And so from then, you were ruled by men
Till along came me Victoria

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
Still to come, it's Queen Victoria

And so began the Hanover gang
George one and George two (grim)
Then George the third was quite absurd
Till I replaced old him

King George the fourth and known henceforth
As angry, fat and cross (hang on)
It's true you beat Napoleon
But were mostly a dead loss (bang on)

Old William four was a sailor (ahoy)
It's nearly the end of the story-a
As onto the scene comes the best loved queen
Hail to Queen Victoria

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
George, George, George, George
Will, Victoria
Victoria Victoria Victoria

(I ruled for sixty four years, you know.)

Ed seven, George five
Then Ed, George sixth
Liz two then reigned and how
And so our famous monarch song
Is brought right up to now, oh

William, William, Henry, Stephen
Henry, Richard, John, oi!
Henry, Ed, Ed, Ed, Rich two
Then three more Henrys join our song
Edward, Edward, Rich the third
Henry, Henry, Ed again
Mary one, good Queen Bess
Jimmy, Charles and Charles and then
Jim, Will, Mary, Anna Gloria
George, George, George, George
Will, Victoria
Edward, George, Edward, George six
And Queen Liz two completes the mix

That's all the English kings and queens
Since William first that there have been
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