Is the ereader dead? - Page 15

DiapDealer · 03-05-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shalym

Isn't it wonderful that we all have choices?

It most certainly is.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if no one used their own personal choices to make judgements about who is, or isn't a "real" reader?

And wouldn't it be even more wonderful if people didn't misuse the word "real" in ways that--intentional or not--can be construed as insulting or confrontational.

ZodWallop · 03-05-2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It most certainly is.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if no one used their own personal choices to make judgements about who is, or isn't a "real" reader?

And wouldn't be even more wonderful if people didn't misuse the word "real" in ways that--intentional or not--can be construed as insulting or confrontational.

Oh for criminey's sake, let it go dude.

I'd hate to see what you think when you read a Holmes story and Watson says he ejaculated.

Richwood · 03-05-2018, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It most certainly is.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if no one used their own personal choices to make judgements about who is, or isn't a "real" reader?

And wouldn't be even more wonderful if people didn't misuse the word "real" in ways that--intentional or not--can be construed as insulting or confrontational.

Agreed completely! Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and the majority stink! I have multiple ebook readers and over 3000 print Science Fiction books, some dating back to the days of the 35 cent paper back book. Also a thousand or more books on other subjects including astronomy, science, history etc. If you read 6 or more books per year, in any form and with any device, I consider you a reasonably serious reader. I read of too many people who admit to not having read a single book since graduating from high school or even college. Reading is ongoing education. I subscribe to several science magazines and the local newspaper too. So a reader there too as well as reading books.

If desperate enough I will even read advertising.

DiapDealer · 03-05-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Oh for criminey's sake, let it go dude.

Sure. Just as soon as you admit that your use of the word "real" was problematic.

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I'd hate to see what you think when you read a Holmes story and Watson says he ejaculated.

I have no problem with archaic, but otherwise properly used words. Why would I?

Alpha o · 03-05-2018, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Richwood

Agreed completely! Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and the majority stink! I have multiple ebook readers and over 3000 print Science Fiction books, some dating back to the days of the 35 cent paper back book. Also a thousand or more books on other subjects including astronomy, science, history etc. If you read 6 or more books per year, in any form and with any device, I consider you a reasonably serious reader. I read of too many people who admit to not having read a single book since graduating from high school or even college. Reading is ongoing education. I subscribe to several science magazines and the local newspaper too. So a reader there too as well as reading books.

As well as agreeing with you about readers - how many and how many old books you have - ereaders are great if you have NO room.

I prefer to have what I purchase under my control.

HLS · 03-05-2018, 03:19 PM

I do not stand why people are getting offended.

We have many ways to read a book: PC, Tablet, phone ... etc but an ereader is specifically a device with eink display and that is what it seems the original posted article is talking about.

We will always have a a need for an eink ereader especially when so many people love to read outdoors. Only way I see it going away is if they made smartphones and tablets 100% glare free.

When the weather is good I love going to a park and read and reading outside sucks on a phone or tablet. Even lighing turned up to max its still hard to see the screen.

DiapDealer · 03-05-2018, 03:37 PM

We are getting offended because some use phrases like "all 'real' readers use eink" (and not just in this thread).

Whether that's a universal "all" or an an anecdotal "all" where the user knows everyone in the "all" is irrelevant. It's the fact that avid readers are being divided into "real" and "other" categories based on totally subjective criteria. Same goes for using "serious reader" in a similar context. There's no need for it.

ZodWallop · 03-05-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Sure. Just as soon as you admit that your use of the word "real" was problematic.

That ain't gonna happen, sweetheart. If you've read through what I've written here and you are still offended, that's your problem.

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I have no problem with archaic, but otherwise properly used words. Why would I?

You seem to have a problem with current, properly used words.

Honestly, you appear to come off as having some feeling of inferiority about your reading on a tablet. I can't and won't change the way I phrase things to protect your sensitive feelings.

DiapDealer · 03-05-2018, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

You seem to have a problem with current, properly used words..

Nope. The word "Real" is not being used properly in your "real readers" phrase. Ignore it all you like, but that's a fact.

And don't call me sweetheart.

Richwood · 03-05-2018, 07:29 PM

Sorry, as I figured that as a anatomical description it was acceptable and not profane, at least in the original definition or meaning of profane. To me a profanity normally relates to religion such as taking the name of a God in vain. Next time I will use the term "derriere".

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Originally Posted by Richwood

Agreed completely! Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and the majority stink! I have multiple ebook readers and over 3000 print Science Fiction books, some dating back to the days of the 35 cent paper back book. Also a thousand or more books on other subjects including astronomy, science, history etc. If you read 6 or more books per year, in any form and with any device, I consider you a reasonably serious reader. I read of too many people who admit to not having read a single book since graduating from high school or even college. Reading is ongoing education. I subscribe to several science magazines and the local newspaper too. So a reader there too as well as reading books.

If desperate enough I will even read advertising.

DuckieTigger · 03-05-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

That ain't gonna happen, sweetheart. If you've read through what I've written here and you are still offended, that's your problem.

No, you need to give it a rest and admit your mistake. Not only did you use a No-True-Scotsman-Fallacy, but you are also trying to establish special snowflake status about readers at your workplace. You already full well know that your special workplace cannot be used to generalize. But here you go trying to establish superiority of eink based on your very limited experience.

barryem · 03-05-2018, 08:32 PM

The "real" adjective is often applied to others who agree in some way with the speaker. We have a hyper Christian guy working where I live who's always referring to what a real Christian does or thinks or believes. Right after Katrina hit New Orleans he told us that they got what they deserved for flouting God by building below sea level. Every real Christian, according to him, refuses to listen to music by Michael Jackson because we all know he broke God's law. He says the same thing about any homosexual. When I mentioned the biblical injunction about passing judgement on people he insists that it's not judgement, it's opinion.

My family moved from Connecticut to Texas in 1945 when I was 5 and all my life I was told I was not a real Texan. I never really cared that much but when I got older and found myself working with younger programmers I began reminding them that I got here before they did. Sure enough I became a real Texan.

"Real" in this sense means something like "I'm a narrow minded SOB and if you disagree with me you're dead wrong and a fake!". During the inquisition that got a lot of people heated up.

I think the way the term "real readers" was used first in this thread meant heavy readers and wasn't about burning anyone at the stake. Although the discussion after that heated up to the point where I'm surprised no-one caught fire.

Ereaders are not dead. I personally own enough of them to disprove that notion, as I suspect do many of you. Reading on a phone is a perfectly good way to read if it's what you like to do. The same goes for tablets and even (shudder) paper books.

The proper way to read a book is the way you decide to read it. Any real reader knows this.

Barry

rcentros · 03-05-2018, 11:59 PM

I'm getting tired of the piling on. ZodWallop is not the first one to bring up the fact (even Amazon people mentioned it in an interview) that heavy readers usually use eInk eReaders. Maybe the problem was the word "real" -- but let it go, it's used in the same way as "heavy." It wasn't a personal attack. Grow thicker skins and get over yourselves. This self-righteous, martyr complex gets old. And I don't like "politically correct" groupthink.

Here's Wirecutter on "Why you shouldn’t just read ebooks on a tablet"

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Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Kobo all offer apps that allow you to access each ebook reader’s library on an iOS or Android tablet or phone; you can also use a tablet or smartphone to read ebooks from Apple’s iBooks Store (on iOS) and the Google Play Store (on iOS and Android). This flexible arrangement can be great for times when you may not have your reader handy: You can read a few pages, and your progress syncs to the cloud so that you can pick right back up where you left off on whichever device you prefer. For regular reading, however, we think dedicated ebook readers are a better option for a number of reasons, namely nonreflective electronic-ink displays that give you a more paperlike visual experience (including easy reading outdoors and less eyestrain than with an LCD screen), a lighter weight, and a significantly longer battery life. Just as important for serious reading is the fact that a dedicated ebook reader offers fewer distractions—you won’t be tempted to switch apps to check Twitter or your email.

(Emphasis mine.)

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/am...-ebook-reader/

I'm shocked an offended! Whom can I attack!?

crich70 · 03-06-2018, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rcentros

I'm getting tired of the piling on. ZodWallop is not the first one to bring up the fact (even Amazon people mentioned it in an interview) that heavy readers usually use eInk eReaders. Maybe the problem was the word "real" -- but let it go, it's used in the same way as "heavy." It wasn't a personal attack. Grow thicker skins and get over yourselves. This self-righteous, martyr complex gets old. And I don't like "politically correct" groupthink.

Here's Wirecutter on "Why you shouldn’t just read ebooks on a tablet"

(Emphasis mine.)

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/am...-ebook-reader/

I'm shocked an offended! Whom can I attack!?

Jeff Bezos even talked about the glare of the screen on a computer when they were bringing out the 1st generation Kindles. He stated that it was like trying to read with a flashlight shining in your face, and that if you have something on a computer that you want to read most people print it out so as to avoid that glare. (That was the interview with Charlie Rose some yrs back

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AnotherCat · 03-06-2018, 12:25 AM

Well, just to come to the party I have to advise that I am not a "real" reader and I confess that may account for the fact that I no longer qualify for and have discarded using eink readers.

But rather I am an unreal reader, like in "Hey bro, you're an unreal reader, the number of books you get through is just sooooo unreal compared to everyone else. And that tab you use for reading is just sooooo unreal too!"

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03-05-2018, 03:19 PM	#216
HLS Wizard Posts: 2,133 Karma: 16342480 Join Date: May 2017 Device: Sage, Scribe, Boox Note 2 Plus, iPad Pros and Samsungs S6,S7,S8	I do not stand why people are getting offended. We have many ways to read a book: PC, Tablet, phone ... etc but an ereader is specifically a device with eink display and that is what it seems the original posted article is talking about. We will always have a a need for an eink ereader especially when so many people love to read outdoors. Only way I see it going away is if they made smartphones and tablets 100% glare free. When the weather is good I love going to a park and read and reading outside sucks on a phone or tablet. Even lighing turned up to max its still hard to see the screen.

03-05-2018, 03:37 PM	#217
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,599 Karma: 204624552 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	We are getting offended because some use phrases like "all 'real' readers use eink" (and not just in this thread). Whether that's a universal "all" or an an anecdotal "all" where the user knows everyone in the "all" is irrelevant. It's the fact that avid readers are being divided into "real" and "other" categories based on totally subjective criteria. Same goes for using "serious reader" in a similar context. There's no need for it.

03-05-2018, 08:32 PM	#222
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	The "real" adjective is often applied to others who agree in some way with the speaker. We have a hyper Christian guy working where I live who's always referring to what a real Christian does or thinks or believes. Right after Katrina hit New Orleans he told us that they got what they deserved for flouting God by building below sea level. Every real Christian, according to him, refuses to listen to music by Michael Jackson because we all know he broke God's law. He says the same thing about any homosexual. When I mentioned the biblical injunction about passing judgement on people he insists that it's not judgement, it's opinion. My family moved from Connecticut to Texas in 1945 when I was 5 and all my life I was told I was not a real Texan. I never really cared that much but when I got older and found myself working with younger programmers I began reminding them that I got here before they did. Sure enough I became a real Texan. "Real" in this sense means something like "I'm a narrow minded SOB and if you disagree with me you're dead wrong and a fake!". During the inquisition that got a lot of people heated up. I think the way the term "real readers" was used first in this thread meant heavy readers and wasn't about burning anyone at the stake. Although the discussion after that heated up to the point where I'm surprised no-one caught fire. Ereaders are not dead. I personally own enough of them to disprove that notion, as I suspect do many of you. Reading on a phone is a perfectly good way to read if it's what you like to do. The same goes for tablets and even (shudder) paper books. The proper way to read a book is the way you decide to read it. Any real reader knows this. Barry

03-06-2018, 12:25 AM	#225
AnotherCat .... Posts: 1,547 Karma: 18068960 Join Date: May 2012 Device: ....	Well, just to come to the party I have to advise that I am not a "real" reader and I confess that may account for the fact that I no longer qualify for and have discarded using eink readers. But rather I am an unreal reader, like in "Hey bro, you're an unreal reader, the number of books you get through is just sooooo unreal compared to everyone else. And that tab you use for reading is just sooooo unreal too!"