Coming 2nd version of Onyx Note without light

[eReader fan]

As i noticed the Onyx Note it will doesn't have frontlight I writted to Onyx to ask about if the second version coming in many months will have it. They answered me there is no space for the leds due the touch and stylus sensors and even there is no technology to implement a frontlight with a flexible screens (also they said to me it will have HDMI) .

I also want to use topic to see if there enough people here who preferes it with a frontlight and instead one of the sensors (touch or stylus). Who knows? Maybe there is enough people who wants it and we can make they focus in that. I consider the posibility of being alone with this requeriment hahaha

So... Do you want the 2nd version of Note with frontlight instead the both stylus and touch sensors??

And anyone knows something about frontlights in flexible screens and their problems?

I really want this eReader, but I ain't gonna give a buck for a eReader without light in 2018,

[JSWolf]

This is a good example of why thinner can be a rather bad idea.

[Question Mark]

Originally Posted by eReader fan

So... Do you want the 2nd version of Note with frontlight instead the both stylus and touch sensors??

Nope. Although i would dearly like to have a frontlight, if I had to choose, I would rather have both touch and stylus capabilities.

However, I wouldn't be opposed to a slightly thicker device which incorporated touch, stylus and a frontlight. A micro SD card slot would really sweeten the deal.

[orebmur]

I always considered the lack of a frontlight as a feature. Already have the Boox i86 and don't see the point of any frontlight for a device that is supposed to be like paper relying only on ambient light. I'd rather have an SD card and good old micro USB instead.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by eReader fan

there is no technology to implement a frontlight with a flexible screens
[...]
So... Do you want the 2nd version of Note with frontlight instead the both stylus and touch sensors??

And anyone knows something about frontlights in flexible screens and their problems?

I really want this eReader, but I ain't gonna give a buck for a eReader without light in 2018,

It is not clear if you want to debate in abstract about preferences or if you aim at practical options.

Small Eink displays are glass based and that (I believe) allows for properly propagating light on the medium.
Big Eink displays are plastic based and light will not propagate well.

These are your actual options with the currently available technologies, until flexible glass.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by orebmur

I always considered the lack of a frontlight as a feature

?

Originally Posted by orebmur

don't see the point of any frontlight for a device that is supposed to be like paper relying only on ambient light

When you cannot have enough ambient light.
Suppose your "phone" (= your most portable) is EPD based, do you stop using it at night?
It's a feature, in some situations it may even be required.

Originally Posted by orebmur

I'd rather have an SD card and good old micro USB instead.

Well of course, +1 and +1000, but it's not a matter of exclusive options.

[joblack]

Frontlight isn't interesting for me.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by mdp

These are your actual options with the currently available technologies, until flexible glass.

It is not a problem of plastic vs glass. The flexible part is the problem. The lightguide depends on the screen beeing flat and static. If you can sandwich a flexible screen on top of an inflexible, unbreakable surface, then maybe you can use a light guide as we know it.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

It is not a problem of plastic vs glass. The flexible part is the problem. The lightguide depends on the screen beeing flat and static. If you can sandwich a flexible screen on top of an inflexible, unbreakable surface, then maybe you can use a light guide as we know it.

It addition the screen size is a problem in and of itself. how many frontlight devices have you seen with screens above 9.7"? You can always use a clip-on book light.

Dale

[blue_skies]

I asked about this in the Boox thread in the News section a while back, but never received any answers there. I can't tell you how much I wish I could buy this device (or something similar) with the note taking ability and a front light. I have diminished visual contrast sensitivity, so a front light makes a tremendous difference for me. I am so disappointed that posters are indicating a front light on this device isn't possible.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by blue_skies

I have diminished visual contrast sensitivity, so a front light makes a tremendous difference for me. I am so disappointed that posters are indicating a front light on this device isn't possible.

Although I cannot know details of your condition, so I have to write in more generic ways, I feel like joining Dale in encouraging towards changing the environmental details and organizing your lights as best as possible.
In fact, and also, while I realize that front-light may improve contrast, I am convinced it remains an unnatural lightning source and (exceptions aside, nonetheless tellingly) it should be part of the structured environment only exceptionally.

[eReader fan]

This topic it's being so disgusting to me hahaha

Already have the Boox i86 and don't see the point of any frontlight for a device that is supposed to be like paper relying only on ambient light. I'd rather have an SD card and good old micro USB instead.

An eReader it's supossed to be, to say it in a easy way, an improved book. It's not only abut having many books or pdf's in there, it's also making the process of reading better. That is achieved, with other functions, with the frontlight. Rellying on the ambient light of your house it means maybe the next place you will be going with your eReader it's not well illuminated and you see almost nothing. Also, the contrast it's much better with frontlight

About microSD slot, I reallyl don't understand why people care so much about that when there are may ways to transfer files between two devices when both are connected to the same LAN, have wifi or bluetooth antena. Even there is the posibility of plugging a USB OTG cable with a 8€ mini card reader.

It addition the screen size is a problem in and of itself. how many frontlight devices have you seen with screens above 9.7"? You can always use a clip-on book light.

Bigger than 9'7" never, but if Note is 10'3" and my Onyx N96ML+ of 9'7" has a perfect frontlight sure it's not a problem of 0'6" more. And the clip isn't a practical solution. Maybe a well designed cover with some leds it could be a good option, but that's not the case

[eReader fan]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

It is not a problem of plastic vs glass. The flexible part is the problem. The lightguide depends on the screen beeing flat and static. If you can sandwich a flexible screen on top of an inflexible, unbreakable surface, then maybe you can use a light guide as we know it.

i am agree with you. I think it's not about plastic or glass and it has to have more to be with the flexible part, but anyways it doesn't appear to me, a non-enginer, to solve the problem, but I know nothing about that hahaha

Just hope they, or someone, find a solution soon

[mdp]

Originally Posted by eReader fan

Rellying on the ambient light of your house it means maybe the next place you will be going with your eReader it's not well illuminated and you see almost nothing. Also, the contrast it's much better with frontlight

None of my business, but if you rely on the frontlight to get a "correct ambience", your eyes will not be grateful.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

It is not a problem of plastic vs glass. The flexible part is the problem. The lightguide depends on the screen beeing flat and static. If you can sandwich a flexible screen on top of an inflexible, unbreakable surface, then maybe you can use a light guide as we know it.

I stand even more corrected, because in the full list at
https://www.eink.com/modules.html
I see that the low resolution 13.3 display is glass based.
ED133UT2 | 13.3 | 1600 x 1200 | 270.40 x 202.80 | 150 | Carta 1.2 | Glass

I thought that, out of frailty, they could not use glass at those sizes.