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State of retail publishing 2017
From Shatzkin (with Data Guy quotes):
https://www.idealog.com/blog/changin...#disqus_thread 1- Agency really is stupid, after all: Quote:
2 - The touted print sales growth is all at Amazon and it is all Amazon and Indie titles most likely. Quote:
3- Avid readers have moved away from B&M to online and digital. The fabled stroll through the racks is largely a myth. Quote:
Shatzkin has come a long way from the time when he demonized DataGuy claiming he had "an agenda". Mind you, he still pines for government action against Amazon but... ...well, baby steps... ![]() Last edited by fjtorres; 01-22-2018 at 05:37 PM. |
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Gosh, some blogger likes Amazon and doesn't like the big publishers. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Once again, I repeat. The people who have the actual data on publishing aren't releasing it. Some people are in the business of giving estimates based on various assumptions and formula. This has been going on for years.
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Well, I can't speak for "the industry" but I can speak to how I buy books. I estimate 90% of my purchases are ebooks from Amazon, the remaining 10% is from other vendors who offer Kindle support.
I won't pay $8.00 US for an ebook book, and I sure as hell won't pay between $16.00 and $25.00 for a current book from an "established" author. It just won't happen. It's like I, and those authors, are living on different planets. Or maybe different universes. I rarely pay even $5.00 for a book unless it's an author I really like. $3.00 is probably what I pay most often. I rely on Kindle unlimited for most of my eBook reading. Yes, there is some real crap in the KU catalogue, but MOST of the stuff I have selected so far has been first rate. Last edited by GlenBarrington; 01-24-2018 at 06:55 PM. |
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But thanks for reminding me to check http://www.idealog.com. It was no longer a regular stop of mine because of the decreasing post frequency. |
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Most of the ebooks I buy are $1 or $2 and a few ard $3. Fortunately by watching BookBub and Book Gorilla I find plenty of good sale books that I want to read. But if a book I really want to read is $10 or $15 even, I'll buy it. That doesn't happen often, thanks to book sales.
I get all my books from Amazon. Well, sometimes Gutenberg but mostly Amazon. I don't like the high prices and mostly they're easy to avoid. But I'm a reader and if that's what I have to pay I pay it. Barry |
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No, I am talking the Data Guy, who the source of much of the initial quote.
Shatzkin is a consultant who has been bouncing around for years. He is famous for predicting that Libraries are a thing of the past back in 2011, so its not exactly like his every pronouncement is the word of God. Consultants get ahead by sucking up to their audience and saying provocative stuff, otherwise no one would write about them. If he's reduced to quoting from the Data Guy, then odds are pretty good he doesn't have the inside scoop on what the real numbers are. Garbage in, garbage out. |
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The plain truth is that the fact that the data coverage is not 100% does not mean it is comprised of "made up numbers" nor that it is not fit for its purpose. 100% accurate figures are indeed not available. But 90 percent plus accurate figures are. By your reasoning a country could never rely on census data, since it is not 100% accurate. Nor could business rely on just about any industry sales report. |
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The key word in your post is "claims". Computer models, which is basically what this is, are an interesting tool, but accuracy is a key. Being off that much doesn't imply 90% accuracy. There is a saying in programming, Garbage in, Garbage out. Just because something is driven by a fancy set of calculations doesn't mean it's accurate if the assumptions driving the calculations are faulty. We see that all the time in political polling. Political polls tend to be off by far more than the listed margin of error a large part of the time, at least compared to the actual voting numbers. It's a bit like the NYT best seller list. It's a great marketing tool and certain can help drive sales for individual books, but most recognize that being on the NYT best seller list doesn't really mean you are at the top in actual book sales. |
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![]() I think you are not being literal with that? Almost twice as much is maybe off by 1 order (singular, not plural) of magnitude when you have base 2 numbers. But assuming base 2 numbers is stretching it, even when digital data is talked about. Unless you specify the base of your number system (which is base 10 commonly by default if unspecified). |
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https://whatever.scalzi.com/2017/09/...pe-not-at-all/ If so, it is Apples and Oranges. DG's data claims to cover US ebook purchases and US Ebook dollar sales. It is not about what a particular author earns or when. It is about how many books are sold and how much money those sales bring in. Not how much a particular author actually makes. If not, please link to the article(s) you refer to. |
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