Nook Glowlight 3 sale 89.99 at B&N website

[barryem]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I know it's stupid, but I find myself thinking "this thing doesn't know what speed I read at!" and I stick with pages. It's illogical and I admit it.

I use the time left in chapters on my Kindle and I've never been able to figure out if it's accurate or not. I don't think I read at a constant rate. I think a lot depends on my surroundings and on what's going on in the book.

I've made it a point to look at the time before and at the end of a session to see if it was accurate but by the time my session has ended I've often forgotten my starting time. And those times that I haven't I've had interruptions or gotten bogged down in a passage that I had to think about or had to use the dictionary.

My impression is that it estimates that I read faster than I actually do but I'm not really very confident in that impression.

Barry

[barryem]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Kobo does that with kepub. Do you read kepub or ePub on your Aura?

I read epub. I have converted a book to kepub to get some benefits some discussed in here, maybe 6 months or a year ago. I didn't seem to get the hoped for benefits so I dropped it. I can't recall what those benefits were now.

Anyway I'm not really unhappy with the way the Kobo handles progress. I like to know how I'm coming along so at the start of each chapter I jump to the next chapter to see how many pages it is. Then I go back and begin reading.

A couple of times I even went all through the book making notes about how many pages were in each chapter so I could just refer to those notes. But it really wasn't worth all that to me.

Now that I know how to find out where I am in the Nook I kind of like that. I also like the Kindle's way of doing it with time left.

All in all though, this isn't an important issue to me. It's pretty minor. I like it when it's there. I don't mind when it's not.

Barry

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by tiltowait

Yes, actually.

I meant it as the only other thing elegible for the discount.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

I meant it as the only other thing elegible for the discount.

They do also sell... books.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

They do also sell... books.

Ah yes, and how to you propose to read those on an ereader?

ETA: In other words: buying something you don't normally buy because it is on sale is NOT saving you 15% off the price, it is losing 85%.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Ah yes, and how to you propose to read those on an ereader?

ETA: In other words: buying something you don't normally buy because it is on sale is NOT saving you 15% off the price, it is losing 85%.

It was an offer code on their website. Their website is not solely for e-books, even though that is what readers of this board are most interested in.

You were making it sound as if because the code wasn't good for Nooks or e-books it was useless for anything other than coffee.

[khalleron]

Having a standard 'page' across all of epub books means I can look at how many 'pages' there are in the book I'm reading and have a fair idea of how 'big' the book is, and thus pretty good idea of how long it would take me to read it. I know that a 200 page book is longer than a 150 page book, regardless of formatting. It's even more useful than the number of pages in a paper book, as that can vary by page size, font size, etc.

Having it be 'how many times I have to push this button' tells me nothing useful. I'm not even aware of pushing that button if I'm absorbed in a story. If I change the size of the font, the length of the book does not change.

If you want to mark a particular place in an ebook, then highlight it.

[tiltowait]

Originally Posted by khalleron

Having it be 'how many times I have to push this button' tells me nothing useful.

Really? I use the same font/size across all of my books.

[tiltowait]

One thing I don't like about the Nook, or possibly just RMSDK in general, is the comically overzealous way it tries to avoid widows and orphans. Just take a look at these two photos (showing consecutive screens). It's ridiculous.

https://imgur.com/a/vrsUb

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by tiltowait

One thing I don't like about the Nook, or possibly just RMSDK in general, is the comically overzealous way it tries to avoid widows and orphans. Just take a look at these two photos (showing consecutive screens). It's ridiculous.

https://imgur.com/a/vrsUb

Maybe I'm a numbskull or have low standards. But nothing in those screenshots stood out to me aside from the weird break in 'Chapter'

I don't mind the hyphenation.

[tiltowait]

It’s not a chapter break or a scene break. It’s just one paragraph following another. Why is there so much white space? It’s absurd.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by tiltowait

It’s not a chapter break or a scene break. It’s just one paragraph following another. Why is there so much white space? It’s absurd.

Simply assume that the fault lies in the ebook. Only because you bought it in a store doesn't mean it is a perfect epub. Only way to know for sure is to check inside of the book.

[barryem]

Originally Posted by khalleron

Having a standard 'page' across all of epub books means I can look at how many 'pages' there are in the book I'm reading and have a fair idea of how 'big' the book is, and thus pretty good idea of how long it would take me to read it. I know that a 200 page book is longer than a 150 page book, regardless of formatting. It's even more useful than the number of pages in a paper book, as that can vary by page size, font size, etc.

Having it be 'how many times I have to push this button' tells me nothing useful. I'm not even aware of pushing that button if I'm absorbed in a story. If I change the size of the font, the length of the book does not change.

I think any numbering system works fairly well once you get used to it. If I look at my Kindle book and see that it has about 4,000 to 6,000 locations I know it's an average size book. Twice that and it's a big book. Easy enough.

With a paperback I can look at how thick it is and a glance will tell me if it has a lot of words on a page with a small font and narrow borders. Again, it's a decent ballpark estimate.

Moon+, which uses my preferred system, tells me how many screens I have left. That changes if I change font or margins but I hardly ever do that so it's a good guide. Still far from perfect.

It's a bit like changing from American measures to metric. I know how big an inch is, or any multiple of that. I can visualize it. But give me the size in meters or cm and it doesn't tell me a lot. If I had a reason I could get used to it and it would be as useful to me.

Barry

[tiltowait]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Simply assume that the fault lies in the ebook. Only because you bought it in a store doesn't mean it is a perfect epub. Only way to know for sure is to check inside of the book.

It's not the book; I've checked it. RMSDK tries to avoid widows and orphans by controlling page break locations. If you pay attention while you read, you'll notice that text will often not reach the very last possible line, instead starting a new paragraph (or ending an old one) on the next screen.

The algorithm responsible for this falls apart when the paragraphs are very long, as shown in the photos.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by tiltowait

The algorithm responsible for this falls apart when the paragraphs are very long, as shown in the photos.

I see. Does Kobo in its kepub renderer do it smarter? On a Kindle I have never seen such a thing in either mobi, kf8, or kfx renderer - it will happily rip paragraphs apart if it doesn't fit on the page. Only whitespace with a real break at the end of chapter (as it should).