Nook Glowlight 3 sale 89.99 at B&N website

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Counting screens is not accurate ad does change when you change any of the above listed settings. Those page numbers are wrong and are phony.

ADE style page numbers can be cited. Number of screens cannot.

Depending on the type of reading you are doing, it is more useful to count screens.

I'm not too worried about having to cite pages from The Sonora Noose in a scholarly paper. But if my break is winding down, it is handy to know that 5 pages left = 5 screens of reading.

Both styles are useful. But what is the overwhelming use case for e-books?

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I'm not too worried about having to cite pages from The Sonora Noose in a scholarly paper. But if my break is winding down, it is handy to know that 5 pages left = 5 screens of reading.

I always set my Kindles to how much time is left in the chapter – that way I know if I have time to read another chapter, or put it down. That's one main thing I like about the various Touch Kindles over the Keyboard and Non-Touch.

[tiltowait]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

One weird thing: The text in your Nook picture looked gritty and jagged. I'm pretty sure that's just from the picture as I haven't seen the same on my actual GL3.

Wolf should be here in about thirty seconds to tell you the Nooks are garbage at rendering fonts.

Was the Kobo book ePub or kepub?

Assuming the book was kepub (and you have more time than you know what to do with) it might be interesting to upload the same book as an ePub on both devices and compare the fonts. Kobo uses different engines for kepub vs. ePub and fonts are rendered differently. I'm not sure which renders the fonts more accurately though.

Pretty sure that was just an issue of the photograph; I haven't noticed that in actual reading. And ... yeah, I did check how Georgia looks in a regular ePub, and both renderers have it skinnier than the Nook (and skinnier than the font preview in the picker, incidentally).

Originally Posted by JSWolf

RMSDK (ADE) displays pages as 1024 compressed bytes. So whatever that uncompresses to is a page. This means that when you change the font, the font size, the line hight, the margins, or hyphenation on or off, the page number does not change. It remains the same. There's nothing wrong or phony about that.

Counting screens is not accurate ad does change when you change any of the above listed settings. Those page numbers are wrong and are phony.

ADE style page numbers can be cited. Number of screens cannot.

I don't know about you, but I find an appropriate font size and stick with it. I don't change it around, and I've never once cited an eBook. If nothing else, an option would be nice.

One problem with RMSDK's algorithm is that it makes effective page sizes inconsistent. A book I finished yesterday has shorter pages than the book I'm currently reading due to some difference in the underlying HTML. This inconsistency between books makes it harder to judge just how long a page is and, thus, how long a chapter is. Pages as screens avoids this issue.

If nothing else, it would be nice to have an option, like Kobo has.

[tiltowait]

Originally Posted by rcentros

I always set my Kindles to how much time is left in the chapter – that way I know if I have time to read another chapter, or put it down. That's one main thing I like about the various Touch Kindles over the Keyboard and Non-Touch.

I would be satisfied with that.

[barryem]

Originally Posted by tiltowait

I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from, but it seems to be common in this thread.

I want "x of y" to refer to screen-sized pages, whatever that size may be. So in order to reach the end of the book, I have to click the button y times, no more, no less.

That's the way Moon+ reader on Android works and I agree that it's the best solution to this. If I change the font it changes the page numbers accordingly. A page is a screen full of text. That's direct and sensible. I wish ereader devices would do that.

I think the next best solution I've seen is Amazon's location. People seem to get upset because that doesn't relate to anything you see but it does relate to the book in the device and gives you all the information you need to get a good sense of where you are.

On my Kindle I tend to use time instead, not for any real reason that I'm aware of. But when I need a more accurate sense of where I am in the book for some reason I'll switch to locations for a while.

The Nook gives me page numbers and that's okay. But it's probably the least informative method in an ereader. I think the only reason companies use page numbers in ereaders is that's what people have learned to expect from books.

Barry

[barryem]

I guess a lot of this depends on what you mean by a page. Is a page the amount of text in a physical page in some certain edition of a paper book? If that's the case then pages are rigid and unchanging. Or is a page everything from the top of the screen to the bottom? If that, then pages change when you change fonts and margins.

That's why I like the way Moon+ does it. A page is what I see on the screen in front of me. If it says there are 14 pages left in the chapter there are 14 of what I'm looking at. When I turn the page there are always 13 pages left no matter what some paper book says.

Pages that are a fixed number of characters or a fixed number of words or are related to those in a paper book have little to do with what I'm reading in my device. Pages that relate to what I'm reading make more sense to me. And if I change the font the count changes. Totally rational, sensible and un-Wolfish.

Barry

[DuckieTigger]

Ereaders have one huge advantage over paper - you can turn off any progress. That is what I prefer, no pages, no location, no percent, or time left. Otherwise when approaching the end of a pbook (you can feel how little is left by feel) you either know something is going to happen soon to wrap the book up or you get sad knowing it is over soon.

[Larla]

I know I'm crazy to go back to the original thread topic; but is there any chance for a discount in the next few days?

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by rcentros

I always set my Kindles to how much time is left in the chapter – that way I know if I have time to read another chapter, or put it down.

I know it's stupid, but I find myself thinking "this thing doesn't know what speed I read at!" and I stick with pages. It's illogical and I admit it.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by barryem

That's the way Moon+ reader on Android works and I agree that it's the best solution to this. If I change the font it changes the page numbers accordingly. A page is a screen full of text. That's direct and sensible. I wish ereader devices would do that.

Kobo does that with kepub. Do you read kepub or ePub on your Aura?

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by Larla

I know I'm crazy to go back to the original thread topic; but is there any chance for a discount in the next few days?

That's madness! We just went and got this thread all nice and derailed.

You'd figure maybe B&N would have a sale what with New Years being a three day weekend. No dice so far though.

Their website does say that they'll give 15% off of orders over $50 with promo code WISH. So that would bring it down to $102. I only paid a little less than that on Black Friday.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I know it's stupid, but I find myself thinking "this thing doesn't know what speed I read at!" and I stick with pages. It's illogical and I admit it.

It's just a scale but it gets pretty close after gauging your reading for a while. Mostly I just know that if it says 15 minutes for the next chapter and I've got 10 minutes to spare, I'll just put down the "book." Either that or I'll decide being 5 minutes late isn't all that bad.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Their website does say that they'll give 15% off of orders over $50 with promo code WISH. So that would bring it down to $102. I only paid a little less than that on Black Friday.

Yeah, except, under conditions "...not eligible for purchases of the following products and services: Barnes & Noble Memberships, Gift Cards, eGift Cards, gift-wrapping, textbooks, print on demand products, digital content (including but not limited to NOOK Books™, NOOK Magazines™, and NOOK Periodicals), NOOK® devices, ..."

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by rcentros

Yeah, except, under conditions "...not eligible for purchases of the following products and services: Barnes & Noble Memberships, Gift Cards, eGift Cards, gift-wrapping, textbooks, print on demand products, digital content (including but not limited to NOOK Books™, NOOK Magazines™, and NOOK Periodicals), NOOK® devices, ..."

What else do they sell? Coffee?

[tiltowait]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

What else do they sell? Coffee?

Yes, actually.