Kobo Aura H2O vs Paperwhite (New) vs Voyage(Renewed)

[barryem]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Yes, I was the one saying that the ads feel kind of cheesy. But even so, calling to gripe about the ads and getting them removed for free feels underhanded.

I don't think that's underhanded. That said, I've always bought my Kindles with no ads so I've never done that. But if I got one with ads I'd probably try it.

Barry

[barryem]

Originally Posted by issybird

I agree to the nth with this entire post. I fault the review sites in particular for not making a point of the ad-free price of the devices.!

A lot of reviews do point that out. Probably some who don't aren't aware of it.

Barry

[barryem]

Originally Posted by Pajamaman

Amazon also used to have buttons as standard features, then made them a 'premium' feature *cough*.

I wonder if that's what they did or if it's just that they began adding buttons at the same time they started making premium devices. I think all the Kindles since the Paperwhite have had buttons. Well, maybe not the basic Kindle, but that's cheap and that's probably why.

Barry

[barryem]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

They should be more honest and list the price as $140 ($120 with ads). At least when comparing against other readers.

I do agree with that. I'm bothered lately by the creeping dishonesty I'm finding at Amazon. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Amazon and a very good customer. But when I go looking for a 128 gig Micro SD card I have to carefully avoid the no-name ripoffs with lots of negative reviews saying it's only 16 gig and labeled 128 gig. Those have been there for years and Amazon keeps selling them and it's hard to believe they don't know it's a rip-off.

And now when I watch a Prime TV show it begins with a commercial. So far it's just a commercial for another Prime TV show but I have a feeling that's not going to last.

And my Fire tablet with ads removed and practically nothing but paid apps is always showing me ads when I load an app. I tried resetting it, thinking maybe I had some malware but it still does it. Then I got the new Fire for $30 on Prime day and it does it. i called Amazon and they insist I'm not seeing ads. They claim to know nothing about it. I doubt I'm the only one who called them so even the tech support people must know.

Lately every time I go into the store on my Kindle I first have to click through the offer to join Kindle Unlimited and that makes me so damn mad that if I was in Seattle I'd go kick their building. I haven't called them yet but I will soon. It's getting to be almost every time.

I'm all for Amazon being successful and they're sure an important part of my life, living in a very small town and not driving. I buy practically everything from them but groceries. But they're starting to feel like they're getting in my way now and I resent it.

Barry

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by barryem

I do agree with that. I'm bothered lately by the creeping dishonesty I'm finding at Amazon.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out things you dislike about companies you otherwise love. Hopefully it keeps them honest.

I LOVE Netflix, but have been very unhappy with the way they'd begin treating their DVD business like a red-headed stepchild. There are good business reasons for doing so, but as a customer, it sucks.

They've gotten better, releasing a very nice DVD app. But the two apps don't talk to each other. The DVD one doesn't tell you a movie is available streaming. The streaming one doesn't tell you it's available on DVD. And really, why do I need two apps, Netflix?

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by barryem

I do agree with that. I'm bothered lately by the creeping dishonesty I'm finding at Amazon. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Amazon and a very good customer. But when I go looking for a 128 gig Micro SD card I have to carefully avoid the no-name ripoffs with lots of negative reviews saying it's only 16 gig and labeled 128 gig. Those have been there for years and Amazon keeps selling them and it's hard to believe they don't know it's a rip-off.

And now when I watch a Prime TV show it begins with a commercial. So far it's just a commercial for another Prime TV show but I have a feeling that's not going to last.

And my Fire tablet with ads removed and practically nothing but paid apps is always showing me ads when I load an app. I tried resetting it, thinking maybe I had some malware but it still does it. Then I got the new Fire for $30 on Prime day and it does it. i called Amazon and they insist I'm not seeing ads. They claim to know nothing about it. I doubt I'm the only one who called them so even the tech support people must know.

Lately every time I go into the store on my Kindle I first have to click through the offer to join Kindle Unlimited and that makes me so damn mad that if I was in Seattle I'd go kick their building. I haven't called them yet but I will soon. It's getting to be almost every time.

I'm all for Amazon being successful and they're sure an important part of my life, living in a very small town and not driving. I buy practically everything from them but groceries. But they're starting to feel like they're getting in my way now and I resent it.

Barry

Is it one particular app or all apps? That sounds like the app not Amazon.
As to the SD card, do you really think Amazon reads every review on every product?
The answer is no. The only way Amazon knows of a problem is if the customer takes the time to report it. Not just leave a review.
Please blame the wrong entity because it is easier to blame the big guy rather than the person that is playing a game.
Amazon is a distributor, they don't program the apps.
Amazon is just the distributor, they can't fix the problem if people don't use the report button.
That is why when I got screwed by a seller: he put three peelers up with the tag assorted colors, he shipped one. Oh yes, I reviewed and provided feedback.
I do not blame Amazon for his shifty behavior.

[Cinisajoy]

If you resent a company, then why are you helping to keep them in business?

[barryem]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Is it one particular app or all apps? That sounds like the app not Amazon.

I have a number of apps that have been paid for and don't give me ads on my other tablets. But when I run those apps on the Fire I sometimes get an ad first that I have to get past in order to load the app. If it was just one or two apps I'd agree with you but it seems to be any app. It doesn't happen every day and it happens before the app loads. I really think it's the app loader that does it. Of course I'm guessing.

As to the SD card, do you really think Amazon reads every review on every product?

Probably not but this has been going on for years. I find it hard to believe that a company that watches it's business that closely isn't aware of those fake products.

Barry

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

If you resent a company, then why are you helping to keep them in business?

Cin, that is such a tired, old argument. Why are you always so quick to jump to their defense? Amazon is a company, not a family friend.

Barry already said that he likes Amazon, but has some gripes. You can like something without approving of every aspect. I have family members that prove it.

[shalym]

Originally Posted by barryem

I do agree with that. I'm bothered lately by the creeping dishonesty I'm finding at Amazon. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Amazon and a very good customer. But when I go looking for a 128 gig Micro SD card I have to carefully avoid the no-name ripoffs with lots of negative reviews saying it's only 16 gig and labeled 128 gig. Those have been there for years and Amazon keeps selling them and it's hard to believe they don't know it's a rip-off.

And now when I watch a Prime TV show it begins with a commercial. So far it's just a commercial for another Prime TV show but I have a feeling that's not going to last.

And my Fire tablet with ads removed and practically nothing but paid apps is always showing me ads when I load an app. I tried resetting it, thinking maybe I had some malware but it still does it. Then I got the new Fire for $30 on Prime day and it does it. i called Amazon and they insist I'm not seeing ads. They claim to know nothing about it. I doubt I'm the only one who called them so even the tech support people must know.

Lately every time I go into the store on my Kindle I first have to click through the offer to join Kindle Unlimited and that makes me so damn mad that if I was in Seattle I'd go kick their building. I haven't called them yet but I will soon. It's getting to be almost every time.

I'm all for Amazon being successful and they're sure an important part of my life, living in a very small town and not driving. I buy practically everything from them but groceries. But they're starting to feel like they're getting in my way now and I resent it.

Barry

I just checked, and I'm not seeing any of those things. What are you viewing your Prime TV show on? I checked on my Fire and on my Fire TV and I didn't see an ad on either.

I don't have many paid apps on my Fire, but I checked the two that I have, and neither of them showed me an ad.

When I go to the store on my Oasis and on my Voyage I don't see an offer to join Kindle Unlimited that I have to click through, either.

I'm sorry that you're seeing these things, but I can't reproduce it. Is anyone else seeing this?

Shari

[shalym]

Originally Posted by shalym

I just checked, and I'm not seeing any of those things. What are you viewing your Prime TV show on? I checked on my Fire and on my Fire TV and I didn't see an ad on either.

I don't have many paid apps on my Fire, but I checked the two that I have, and neither of them showed me an ad.

When I go to the store on my Oasis and on my Voyage I don't see an offer to join Kindle Unlimited that I have to click through, either.

I'm sorry that you're seeing these things, but I can't reproduce it. Is anyone else seeing this?

Shari

Ok--I just checked 5 different TV shows on my fire, and I finally got an ad at the beginning of the last one.

Shari

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Cin, that is such a tired, old argument. Why are you always so quick to jump to their defense? Amazon is a company, not a family friend.

Barry already said that he likes Amazon, but has some gripes. You can like something without approving of every aspect. I have family members that prove it.

Apparently to bug you. I am not jumping to their defense. I just find it very ironic that the complainers gripe about a company and then turn around and say here have my hard earned money because you need it more than another company.
My opinion on that is "Put up or shut up." As long as the griper is spending money with the company they don't like then to me they are just babbling because they are still helping the company stay in business. This makes me not want to trust them in anything, because they say one thing but do the opposite.
That is any company not just Amazon.

Amazon is not the only place to shop.
Walmart is not the only to place to shop.
Do not tell me you are so poor you have to shop at Walmart. Yes, I have heard the I would shop somewhere else if I could afford it. I can find the same or better prices on food at other grocery stores. I can find my paper goods cheaper at several places.
So don't pass on my leg and tell me it is raining.

On your family analogy, sorry you can choose where to shop but you are stuck with family. (Oh and as to another comment you made: I wasn't planned.)

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

...I just find it very ironic that the complainers gripe about a company and then turn around and say here have my hard earned money because you need it more than another company...

I pared your comment down for simplicity's sake.

There's this thing that exists known as nuance.

If I go to Whataburger because I love their sweet and spicy burger, but I think their chicken sandwich is awful, should I shun them and never go there again? No, of course not. Because it is possible to like some or even most things about a company without loving everything about them.

I even tried giving a helpful analogy with Netflix, nestled right in there between Barry's comment and yours (post #50).

Barry's comment, if quoted in full started with: I do agree with that. I'm bothered lately by the creeping dishonesty I'm finding at Amazon. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Amazon and a very good customer.

It also included statements such as: I'm all for Amazon being successful and they're sure an important part of my life...

You liking something about a company isn't the same as saying you must endorse every action they take in every instance.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

On your family analogy, sorry you can choose where to shop but you are stuck with family.

Too true, or my last name would be Rockefeller.

(Oh and as to another comment you made: I wasn't planned.)

Well, nobody ever told me I was planned. But who wouldn't want a kid as great as I was? So it's a safe assumption

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I pared your comment down for simplicity's sake.

There's this thing that exists known as nuance.

If I go to Whataburger because I love their sweet and spicy burger, but I think their chicken sandwich is awful, should I shun them and never go there again? No, of course not. Because it is possible to like some or even most things about a company without loving everything about them.

I even tried giving a helpful analogy with Netflix, nestled right in there between Barry's comment and yours (post #50).

Barry's comment, if quoted in full started with: I do agree with that. I'm bothered lately by the creeping dishonesty I'm finding at Amazon. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Amazon and a very good customer.

It also included statements such as: I'm all for Amazon being successful and they're sure an important part of my life...

You liking something about a company isn't the same as saying you must endorse every action they take in every instance.

Big difference, you are not liking one thing they make. You aren't complaining about their business practices.
Now should you avoid Whataburger, yes. Texas Burger (oh wait you aren't in Bobby Cox country) and Fuddruckers both have much better burgers.

Oh wait: we now have an even bigger problem. We agree on the chicken sandwich.