Listening is the new reading

[ekbell]

Originally Posted by sealbeater

Perhaps your perception of my lack of understanding and empathy speaks more to your own condition.

Nope, it's pretty clearly your dismissal of dyslexia as simply needing more practice that led to the perception of lacking empathy and for me at least your statements that listening is inherently lazy even when *you* find it more difficult that lead to doubt as to your understanding.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by ekbell

You appear to be contradicting yourself. How can a task you find too tiresome to be enlightening or entertaining be also the lazy option? If there is merit to choosing the more difficult option you should be taking on the challenge of learning the skills needed to listen and comprehend audiobooks.

l freely admit that I'm simply too *lazy* to practice paying attention to complicated material with my ears (the last time I regularly listened to books they contained much simpler material) when I can just pick up my tablet and have read the book in a tenth of the time using already well practiced skills. I do see merit in practicing listening skills so I've been listening to the Great Courses where no written option exists, sweetened by linking it to working on my embroidery so that even if I fail to retain much of the lecture I have another bit of my current project done.

Don't stitch it to yourself if the lecture gets super interesting.
So wall hanging, pillowcase or something else.

[ekbell]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Don't stitch it to yourself if the lecture gets super interesting.
So wall hanging, pillowcase or something else.

I'm more likely to stitch it to itself . Currently, I'm working on a fairly large cross-stitch work with fine detail that will likely end up as a wall hanging.

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by barryem

But "Igorance seems to become you" is just name calling, plain and simple. That's the sort of thing that's best left out of forum discussions. It's personal. It's about the person you're discussing with, not about their opinion.

I find this to be a fairly interesting topic but if we aren't polite we're not going to get very far.

If you don't know, I'm not a moderator, just a participant giving my opinion.

Barry

No worries. I'll try to be more polite in future.

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by ekbell

You appear to be contradicting yourself.

Do I?

Originally Posted by ekbell

How can a task you find too tiresome to be enlightening or entertaining be also the lazy option?

Because I find people who have to listen to words rarely have put in the practice to be good readers.

If you would rather listen to an audiobook than read a book, you or your parents were lazy when you were a child and you find it easier to listen to someone read to you, as if you were a young child who did not yet know how to read.

For myself, listening to the slow speech of someone reading aloud to me is too tiresome to be entertaining or enlightening.

Have I made myself clear?

Originally Posted by ekbell

If there is merit to choosing the more difficult option you should be taking on the challenge of learning the skills needed to listen and comprehend audiobooks.

The mistake you are making is assuming more difficult = tiresome. *Listening to words* is not difficult at all. Babies do it. However it can be tiresome, esp when there are better faster options as you have cited below.

Originally Posted by ekbell

l freely admit that I'm simply too *lazy* to practice paying attention to complicated material with my ears (the last time I regularly listened to books they contained much simpler material) when I can just pick up my tablet and have read the book in a tenth of the time using already well practiced skills. I do see merit in practicing listening skills so I've been listening to the Great Courses where no written option exists, sweetened by linking it to working on my embroidery so that even if I fail to retain much of the lecture I have another bit of my current project done.

More power to you.

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by ekbell

Nope, it's pretty clearly your dismissal of dyslexia as simply needing more practice that led to the perception of lacking empathy and for me at least your statements that listening is inherently lazy even when *you* find it more difficult that lead to doubt as to your understanding.

Once again, lack of reading comprehension rears it's ugly head.

One wonders if it's all this listening instead of reading.

First off, if one has dyslexia, that is a handicap and so, exempts one from my admitted judgment.

Second off, how exactly does one get better at anything if not by practice?

Third off, please quote or cite one instance where I said I found listening **more difficult**. I mean, anybody can listen. Apparently however, not everyone can actually read. Including some in this thread.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by sealbeater

Do I?


Because I find people who have to listen to words rarely have put in the practice to be good readers.

If you would rather listen to an audiobook than read a book, you or your parents were lazy when you were a child and you find it easier to listen to someone read to you, as if you were a young child who did not yet know how to read.

For myself, listening to the slow speech of someone reading aloud to me is too tiresome to be entertaining or enlightening.

Have I made myself clear?



The mistake you are making is assuming more difficult = tiresome. *Listening to words* is not difficult at all. Babies do it. However it can be tiresome, esp when there are better faster options as you have cited below.



More power to you.

I want proof that people that listen to audiobooks aren't good readers.

I must give you credit: you have achieved the impossible.
In the course of this thread, you have managed to insult pretty much everyone.
Oh and I happen to know several PhD's that listen to audiobooks.

Now my best advice to you is quit trying to get out of the hole you have dug. You are just getting deeper.

Your attitude definitely reminds me of my daughter.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by ekbell

I'm more likely to stitch it to itself . Currently, I'm working on a fairly large cross-stitch work with fine detail that will likely end up as a wall hanging.

I have done that more than once. I have a cross stich project (Coca cola Santa, 71 colors), a set of pillowcases and a plastic canvas Santa that I am working on.
I tend to listen to crime shows while working on a project.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by sealbeater

Once again, lack of reading comprehension rears it's ugly head.

One wonders if it's all this listening instead of reading.

First off, if one has dyslexia, that is a handicap and so, exempts one from my admitted judgment.

Second off, how exactly does one get better at anything if not by practice?

Third off, please quote or cite one instance where I said I found listening **more difficult**. I mean, anybody can listen. Apparently however, not everyone can actually read. Including some in this thread.

You never said it was difficult, you said people that listen to audiobooks are lazy.

As I see it, from everyone that has answered you, they are busy not lazy. Every one of them also reads books. The people here are not stupid. Without looking at who responded specifically: there are several veterans (Thanks guys), scientists, engineers, professors, over-educated domestic engineers, jewelers, authors, ITs, scholars, pretty sure at least a dozen would be called Doctor offline, many have Masters degrees.
Now I can't be 100% sure, but I would bet all of them can read.

Oh and by the way on the veterans, I mean the bad war.

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I want proof that people that listen to audiobooks aren't good readers.

Sorry, anything I could provide would be strictly anecdotal but since I'm not really interested in convincing you, even if I could, that will just have to do.

Feel free to feel otherwise about it.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I must give you credit: you have achieved the impossible.
In the course of this thread, you have managed to insult pretty much everyone.

I didn't realize you were the elected spokesperson for "everyone".

Be sure to convey to "everyone" that my opinion is my own and so far, I see absolutely no reason to change it. No insult is intended or implied. I'm just giving my persepective.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Oh and I happen to know several PhD's that listen to audiobooks.

Appealing to authority now?

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Now my best advice to you is quit trying to get out of the hole you have dug. You are just getting deeper.

If I have dug a hole, I am assure you I'm not trying to escape it. I said what I mean and I mean what I say. Nobody has to like my opinion but me.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Your attitude definitely reminds me of my daughter.

Quick and honest question.

Did you teach her how to read or did you let the public schools do it?

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by Roshni Patel

Audiobooks are one that helps to interpret things in a good manner which is not reading as only the listening is involved by it. So audiobooks are good to use.

Thank you. I'll remember that in future.

I have absolutely no objection or internal judgment about anyone with a handicap using audio books.

[Cinisajoy]

[QUOTE=sealbeater;3628264][QUOTE=Cinisajoy;3628258]I want proof that people that listen to audiobooks aren't good readers.
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Sorry, anything I could provide would be strictly anecdotal but since I'm not really interested in convincing you, even if I could, that will just have to do.

Feel free to feel otherwise about it.

[QUOTE=Cinisajoy;3628258]
I must give you credit: you have achieved the impossible.
In the course of this thread, you have managed to insult pretty much everyone.
[\quote]
I didn't realize you were the elected spokesperson for "everyone".

Be sure to convey to "everyone" that my opinion is my own and so far, I see absolutely no reason to change it. No insult is intended or implied. I'm just giving my persepective.

[QUOTE=Cinisajoy;3628258]
Oh and I happen to know several PhD's that listen to audiobooks.
[\quote]

Appealing to authority now?

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Now my best advice to you is quit trying to get out of the hole you have dug. You are just getting deeper.
[\quote]

If I have dug a hole, I am assure you I'm not trying to escape it. I said what I mean and I mean what I say. Nobody has to like my opinion but me.



Quick and honest question.

Did you teach her how to read or did you let the public schools do it?

I did and so did her grandmother.
My mom, me and my kids all started reading at age 3.

Then next time say" in my opinion I find people that use audiobooks lazy".
Use words. Oh and good luck in your English class.
I am guessing you are a freshman in college.
Oh I am not the spokesman, but when you say people are lazy because they do one thing, you are being insulting.
That would be like me saying without any clarification: people that wear perfume stink.

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I did and so did her grandmother.
My mom, me and my kids all started reading at age 3.

That's nice. I was reading at the age of 2.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Then next time say" in my opinion I find people that use audiobooks lazy".
Use words.

Thank you but I like my way better. You don't have to like it however. I don't mind.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Oh and good luck in your English class.

How does it feel to open your mouth and have ignorant nonsense come out?

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I am guessing you are a freshman in college.

Keep guessing.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Oh I am not the spokesman, but when you say people are lazy because they do one thing, you are being insulting.

I guess they will simply have to bear the insult.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

That would be like me saying without any clarification: people that wear perfume stink.

You are welcome to think that if you like.

[sealbeater]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

You never said it was difficult, you said people that listen to audiobooks are lazy.

Yup. Standing by that too.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

As I see it, from everyone that has answered you, they are busy not lazy.

We are all busy.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Every one of them also reads books. The people here are not stupid.

Never said anyone was. Considering the site we are on, I would hope everyone here reads books.

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Without looking at who responded specifically: there are several veterans (Thanks guys)

Don't you think thanking people who signed up to kill brown people overseas while protecting corporate interests because they didn't have many other options a bit sycophantic?

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

scientists, engineers, professors, over-educated domestic engineers, jewelers, authors, ITs, scholars, pretty sure at least a dozen would be called Doctor offline, many have Masters degrees.
Now I can't be 100% sure, but I would bet all of them can read.

You sure do like appealing to authority, don't you? You do realize that's widely considered a fallacious argument?

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Oh and by the way on the veterans, I mean the bad war.

You are thanking veterans for fighting a bad war.

[tubemonkey]

too lazy to read, wishes i haz audiobook