Asked vs Said - Page 4

JSWolf · 12-15-2017, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BookCat

Cinisajoy: MEN!

As a woman I've always found it rather a messy affair.

But this is leading into a smutty line of discourse.

https://selfhacked.com/blog/unhealthy-ejaculate/

Cinisajoy · 12-15-2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

https://selfhacked.com/blog/unhealthy-ejaculate/

No way am I clicking that link.

gmw · 12-16-2017, 12:58 AM

Technically this conversion is potentially very family friendly, but perhaps not in the way people usually mean.

Dr. Drib · 12-16-2017, 05:58 AM

Below is my solution to the dilemma of asked vs. said. You may use this dialogue for your own story, although it may need to be tweaked somewhat depending on what genre you'll be working with. For example, you may wish to replace the names of Sally and Billy with alien names such as Glurz and Slrodzzzt. You may wish to replace the word mouth for orifice and the word hand for appendage. I'll leave it up to you, since you're the writers.

"Gee, you look nice, Sally," Billy asked/said, as he gazed at the lovely apparition in front of him. Tonight was his big date and he was taking Sally to the Senior Hip Hop Dance at Derry Valley High School. They would have a swell time, he knew. There would be chips, popcorn, and soft drinks galore!

"Thank you, Billy," Sally asked/said, as she looked upon his clean countenance.

Her father, Mr. John Holcomb, removed the pipe from his mouth and put down his newspaper as he asked/said: "Remember, Billy that Sally needs to be home no later than 10:30." He looked sternly at the young couple in their late teens and added, as he asked/said: "That would be tonight."

"Yes, Daddy," Sally asked/said.

"Have fun, kids," Mr. Holcomb asked/said and picked up his newspaper. He tried not to show his nervousness. He would be sleeping restlessly on the couch tonight, awaiting his daughter's return.

"Goodbye, sir," Billy asked/said. "It's been a special treat meeting you, sir. I want you to know that your daughter will be in good hands."

At these words, Sally blushed, for she knew exactly where those hands had been. Billy worked part-time as a bag boy at Safeway and was quite good at organizing all the different types of food and different-sized containers, preparatory to putting them in their paper bags. Billy had a very good future, Sally realized.

Remember, this is a child-friendly site.

BookCat · 12-16-2017, 03:20 PM

JS Wolf: I read the first paragraph that link lead to, and there are several factual inaccuracies (basic human biology). The first one is the statement that sperm "float" around; they don't, they swim, much like tiny tadpoles. But the main one which is repeated is that, to paraphrase, "sperm is transported to the embryo". It's not transported, it swims, and it doesn't attempt to meet an embryo, but an ova. It would be pointless for the little blighters to head for an embryo, because that's already growing into a baby! After that, I gave up on the article, figuring that the rest would be full of biological inaccuracy too.

Dr Drib: I think many of the name tags could be dropped, it's obvious from the action who is speaking. Also, there are many things which only one of those three characters would say such as "Have fun, kids,". Neither of the young people in the passage are going to say that and then pick up a newspaper trying to hide their nervousness regarding Sally's safety. In that way many of the 'saids' could be eliminated.

gmw · 12-17-2017, 01:56 AM

Well, if we are going to critique Dr. Drib's contribution, I was thinking along the lines of those that try combining he/she into s/he. And then I realised that the word I was looking for already occurred in natural speech - with those that have trouble with their diction. There is the common "He arxed me if I wanted to go", but sometimes this comes out as "He arsed me if I wanted to go". So, it seems to me that "arsed" is the natural speech combination of ask and said (combines the first syllable of asked with the pronunciation of "said"). One problem with this solution is that it introduces a slight ambiguity or homonym with those dialects in which "arsed" has other definitions.

... Um ... I'm not sure if I have stretched the family and child friendly requirement of this forum to breaking point. Moderators, feel free to delete this post if you think I have.

Cinisajoy · 12-17-2017, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmw

Well, if we are going to critique Dr. Drib's contribution, I was thinking along the lines of those that try combining he/she into s/he. And then I realised that the word I was looking for already occurred in natural speech - with those that have trouble with their diction. There is the common "He arxed me if I wanted to go", but sometimes this comes out as "He arsed me if I wanted to go". So, it seems to me that "arsed" is the natural speech combination of ask and said (combines the first syllable of asked with the pronunciation of "said"). One problem with this solution is that it introduces a slight ambiguity or homonym with those dialects in which "arsed" has other definitions.

... Um ... I'm not sure if I have stretched the family and child friendly requirement of this forum to breaking point. Moderators, feel free to delete this post if you think I have.

You spell that axed. He axed me out.

arjaybe · 12-17-2017, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

You spell that axed. He axed me out.

Here we pronounce it ast. He ast me out. It sounds like assed, but I would never spell it that way.

doubleshuffle · 12-17-2017, 01:14 PM

Edited to add family friendly spoiler tags.

Spoiler:

gmw · 12-17-2017, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

You spell that axed. He axed me out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arjaybe

Here we pronounce it ast. He ast me out. It sounds like assed, but I would never spell it that way.

In Australia there is a tendency to go heavy on the first syllable: 'arr' as in 'arc'. Thinking of it that way, maybe I should have suggested "arcsed" as the replacement for "asked/said". ... And to satisfy the American need to spell things incorrectly differently we might offer "acsed" and in New Zealand perhaps "ecsid".

BookCat · 12-17-2017, 08:56 PM

In the UK there's a north-south and class divide in the pronunciation of "asked". In the south, and among those who use Recieved Pronunciation (BBC English) it is pronounced "arsked"; in the north it is prounounced "asked" with a short A as in "asp". The same goes for many words with "a" as the main vowel, such as path, bath, past etc

I don't see how this helps solve the "said" question.
Oh, if I want to be gender neutral, I tend to use "they" instead. This rarely happens in fiction where the gender of a character is known.

Cinisajoy · 12-17-2017, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BookCat

In the UK there's a north-south and class divide in the pronunciation of "asked". In the south, and among those who use Recieved Pronunciation (BBC English) it is pronounced "arsked"; in the north it is prounounced "asked" with a short A as in "asp". The same goes for many words with "a" as the main vowel, such as path, bath, past etc

I don't see how this helps solve the "said" question.
Oh, if I want to be gender neutral, I tend to use "they" instead. This rarely happens in fiction where the gender of a character is known.

I figured as small as the UK was, you would all sound like Sean Connery.

gmw · 12-18-2017, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I figured as small as the UK was, you would all sound like Sean Connery.

They wish!

I am reminded of the movie The Hunt for Red October. A Russian accent never sounded so good!

BookCat · 12-18-2017, 06:02 AM

Isn't he Scottish? That doesn't count now they're devolved.

12-17-2017, 01:14 PM	#54
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12-16-2017, 12:58 AM	#48
gmw cacoethes scribendi Posts: 5,818 Karma: 137770742 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650	Technically this conversion is potentially very family friendly, but perhaps not in the way people usually mean.

12-16-2017, 05:58 AM	#49
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 45,343 Karma: 59447733 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Peru Device: KINDLE: Oasis 3, Scribe (1st), Matcha; KOBO: Libra 2, Libra Colour	Below is my solution to the dilemma of asked vs. said. You may use this dialogue for your own story, although it may need to be tweaked somewhat depending on what genre you'll be working with. For example, you may wish to replace the names of Sally and Billy with alien names such as Glurz and Slrodzzzt. You may wish to replace the word mouth for orifice and the word hand for appendage. I'll leave it up to you, since you're the writers. "Gee, you look nice, Sally," Billy asked/said, as he gazed at the lovely apparition in front of him. Tonight was his big date and he was taking Sally to the Senior Hip Hop Dance at Derry Valley High School. They would have a swell time, he knew. There would be chips, popcorn, and soft drinks galore! "Thank you, Billy," Sally asked/said, as she looked upon his clean countenance. Her father, Mr. John Holcomb, removed the pipe from his mouth and put down his newspaper as he asked/said: "Remember, Billy that Sally needs to be home no later than 10:30." He looked sternly at the young couple in their late teens and added, as he asked/said: "That would be tonight." "Yes, Daddy," Sally asked/said. "Have fun, kids," Mr. Holcomb asked/said and picked up his newspaper. He tried not to show his nervousness. He would be sleeping restlessly on the couch tonight, awaiting his daughter's return. "Goodbye, sir," Billy asked/said. "It's been a special treat meeting you, sir. I want you to know that your daughter will be in good hands." At these words, Sally blushed, for she knew exactly where those hands had been. Billy worked part-time as a bag boy at Safeway and was quite good at organizing all the different types of food and different-sized containers, preparatory to putting them in their paper bags. Billy had a very good future, Sally realized. Remember, this is a child-friendly site.

12-16-2017, 03:20 PM	#50
BookCat C L J Posts: 2,911 Karma: 21115458 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle PW2, Kindle PW3, Kobo Libra2	JS Wolf: I read the first paragraph that link lead to, and there are several factual inaccuracies (basic human biology). The first one is the statement that sperm "float" around; they don't, they swim, much like tiny tadpoles. But the main one which is repeated is that, to paraphrase, "sperm is transported to the embryo". It's not transported, it swims, and it doesn't attempt to meet an embryo, but an ova. It would be pointless for the little blighters to head for an embryo, because that's already growing into a baby! After that, I gave up on the article, figuring that the rest would be full of biological inaccuracy too. Dr Drib: I think many of the name tags could be dropped, it's obvious from the action who is speaking. Also, there are many things which only one of those three characters would say such as "Have fun, kids,". Neither of the young people in the passage are going to say that and then pick up a newspaper trying to hide their nervousness regarding Sally's safety. In that way many of the 'saids' could be eliminated.

12-17-2017, 01:56 AM	#51
gmw cacoethes scribendi Posts: 5,818 Karma: 137770742 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650	Well, if we are going to critique Dr. Drib's contribution, I was thinking along the lines of those that try combining he/she into s/he. And then I realised that the word I was looking for already occurred in natural speech - with those that have trouble with their diction. There is the common "He arxed me if I wanted to go", but sometimes this comes out as "He arsed me if I wanted to go". So, it seems to me that "arsed" is the natural speech combination of ask and said (combines the first syllable of asked with the pronunciation of "said"). One problem with this solution is that it introduces a slight ambiguity or homonym with those dialects in which "arsed" has other definitions. ... Um ... I'm not sure if I have stretched the family and child friendly requirement of this forum to breaking point. Moderators, feel free to delete this post if you think I have.

12-17-2017, 08:56 PM	#56
BookCat C L J Posts: 2,911 Karma: 21115458 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle PW2, Kindle PW3, Kobo Libra2	In the UK there's a north-south and class divide in the pronunciation of "asked". In the south, and among those who use Recieved Pronunciation (BBC English) it is pronounced "arsked"; in the north it is prounounced "asked" with a short A as in "asp". The same goes for many words with "a" as the main vowel, such as path, bath, past etc I don't see how this helps solve the "said" question. Oh, if I want to be gender neutral, I tend to use "they" instead. This rarely happens in fiction where the gender of a character is known.

12-18-2017, 06:02 AM	#59
BookCat C L J Posts: 2,911 Karma: 21115458 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle PW2, Kindle PW3, Kobo Libra2	Isn't he Scottish? That doesn't count now they're devolved.