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Old 11-11-2017, 09:34 AM   #61
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I'm on the token plan for Safari, think I've had it since 2007.

One thing about the tokens is that they go away after a period of time, if you don't use them. To download a whole book you usually need something like 20-30 tokens. I get 5 tokens a month so it takes a couple of months to accumulate enough tokens for a whole book.

You used to be able to download individual chapters, and those cost a couple of tokens per chapter.

I've also noticed that fewer and fewer books offer the option to buy with tokens, so it's currently a limited range of books you can get with the tokens.
I haven't bought any O'Reilly books and/or e-books after they closed the online shop. I won't use Safari because I pay too much for not 'owning' the e-books.

That said I have already a lot of e-books in my O'Reilly bookshelf and now I have the time and motivation to read through my previous bought e-books. Decreasing my 'pile of shame'.

So, O'Reilly no new money from me in the short run.

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Old 11-12-2017, 12:28 PM   #62
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and now I have the time and motivation to read through my previous bought e-books.
That's actually true. I find that it's harder to commit fully to a book on Safari, usually you read one chapter here and one chapter there. It's easier to get distracted. It's also easier to get overwhelmed when you get like 20-100 books to choose from.

Others have also pointed out the bane of VIDEOS. Every single time I make a search, Safari insists on showing me the tab with the Video titles
I have yet to find a setting that takes me straight to the books-tab.

I don't do videos, they're just a nuisance, so for Safari to shove it in my face is very annoying.
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That's actually true. I find that it's harder to commit fully to a book on Safari, usually you read one chapter here and one chapter there. It's easier to get distracted. It's also easier to get overwhelmed when you get like 20-100 books to choose from.

Others have also pointed out the bane of VIDEOS. Every single time I make a search, Safari insists on showing me the tab with the Video titles
I have yet to find a setting that takes me straight to the books-tab.

I don't do videos, they're just a nuisance, so for Safari to shove it in my face is very annoying.
Mostly I use Safari as a general purpose research tool, reading a chapter here, a chapter there. It does seem that with their focus on videos, they are dropping the ball on adding new book titles. The whole point of Safari for me is that as new technologies pop up, I can research it without having to waste money buying books that will be obsolete in two years.
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That's how I use it too. Don't think I've read a single whole book on Safari. The user interface feels more skewed towards fast lookup and researching.
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I used to buy plenty of O'Reilly books in paper and get the $5 matching e-books. I wanted epubs and PDFs (for markup). I must have at least a hundred. I also bought many early release e-books. I too have virtually stopped buying them since this change. I've switched to Manning; they almost always have 40% or 50% off coupons available and so for about $25 I can get early access e-books with a paper book on publication, and the quality of the content is excellent. Packt have much more variable quality but they too have frequent bargain sales (like $5 on every e-book in the week before Christmas; I snagged quite a few). I'll be way more selective now before buying any O'Reilly title.
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