@?&®% Mispronunciations! - Page 8

tubemonkey · 09-11-2017, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

I've heard a lot of people use rotsee rather than R.O.T.C. When I was in college, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, one of my roomate's friends was known as Rotsee Ray because he was in the R.O.T.C.

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Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Rot-see was quite common when I was in college and knew some ROTC people. Mid west (USA) in case that matters.

Rotsee was a very common pronunciation for ROTC back in the 60s. My dad was a ROTC instructor for a time, so I knew the term first hand.

JSWolf · 09-11-2017, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Rot-see was quite common when I was in college and knew some ROTC people. Mid west (USA) in case that matters.

The problem is that not everyone is familiar with Rot-C and everyone is familiar with R.O.T.C. So why not do what works for everyone and not take some out of the story?

badgoodDeb · 09-11-2017, 08:10 PM

Good question, but perhaps the reader didn't know that not everyone was familiary with rotsee. If one *is* familiar, you don't realize that others aren't.

HarryT · 09-12-2017, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is that not everyone is familiar with Rot-C and everyone is familiar with R.O.T.C. So why not do what works for everyone and not take some out of the story?

They aren't, Jon. I doubt that one person in a hundred in Britain would be familiar with it.

JSWolf · 09-12-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

They aren't, Jon. I doubt that one person in a hundred in Britain would be familiar with it.

Would people in Britain understand R.O.T.C.?

Catlady · 09-12-2017, 10:04 AM

If a narrator says "R-O-T-C," it's clear to a listener that it's an abbreviation, even if the listener doesn't know quite what it stands for. If a narrator says "rotsee," it's a lot less likely that a listener is going get any meaning out of it. ROTC isn't an acronym, it's an initialism, and therefore a narrator should pronounce each letter.

HarryT · 09-12-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Would people in Britain understand R.O.T.C.?

No, they wouldn't. That's what I was saying in my previous message

. It is an American institution, and one that's almost completely unknown in Britain.

DiapDealer · 09-12-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

I've heard a lot of people use rotsee rather than R.O.T.C. When I was in college, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, one of my roomate's friends was known as Rotsee Ray because he was in the R.O.T.C.

I've heard rotsee a lot, myself. Strangely enough also back in my college years. Two syllables vs four. *shrug* The shortened, shortened version is self explanatory if you have to use it a lot.

It wouldn't have really distracted me much, but I can see how it would others. "Are Oh Tee See" would definitely be the "safer" pronunciation. But understanding how much (and how often) the creation and usage of new acronyms were used as humorous interludes/banter in the book itself, I wouldn't be surprised at all if "rotsee" was a purposeful inside joke.

CRussel · 09-12-2017, 01:28 PM

As someone born in the US, who has listened to and watched _many_ UK books and productions, and now lives in Canada, the various differences in pronunciations still often catch me out. 'an-SILL-a-ree' wouldn't bother me, even though I'd grown up with 'AN-sill-air-ee', but others still grate. OTOH, I now find the US pronunciation of 'praah-ject' instead of 'pro-ject' positively annoying. Even when I do it myself.

As for rot-see -- my teachers always referred to ROTC, but no one who was in it ever used anything but rot-see. I have no idea what's current, however.

issybird · 06-04-2020, 06:01 PM

How can anyone* not know how to pronounce John Maynard Keynes?

And even if a narrator is so unfortunate, how can such an error not be caught and fixed? Nails on chalkboard territory.

*Alan Sklar is the miscreant. He’s new to me, but if he keeps it up, he’s one and done.

Apache · 06-04-2020, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by issybird

How can anyone* not know how to pronounce John Maynard Keynes?

And even if a narrator is so unfortunate, how can such an error not be caught and fixed? Nails on chalkboard territory.

*Alan Sklar is the miscreant. He’s new to me, but if he keeps it up, he’s one and done.

How hard is it, in this day and age, to look up the correct pronunciation?
Apache

CRussel · 06-04-2020, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by issybird

How can anyone* not know how to pronounce John Maynard Keynes?

And even if a narrator is so unfortunate, how can such an error not be caught and fixed? Nails on chalkboard territory.

*Alan Sklar is the miscreant. He’s new to me, but if he keeps it up, he’s one and done.

So, I give. How DID he pronounce it? Cause I can't figure out how he could get it wrong.

issybird · 06-04-2020, 07:24 PM

“Keens.”

CRussel · 06-04-2020, 07:26 PM

Sigh. Yet another example of the decline and fall of practically everything.

badgoodDeb · 06-04-2020, 08:04 PM

You'd have to know you were wrong, to think of looking it up. My first guess was "keens" too. I'm not sure I know him, though it sounds a little familiar.

09-11-2017, 08:10 PM	#108
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,574 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	Good question, but perhaps the reader didn't know that not everyone was familiary with rotsee. If one is familiar, you don't realize that others aren't.

09-12-2017, 10:04 AM	#111
Catlady Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,423 Karma: 52734361 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip	If a narrator says "R-O-T-C," it's clear to a listener that it's an abbreviation, even if the listener doesn't know quite what it stands for. If a narrator says "rotsee," it's a lot less likely that a listener is going get any meaning out of it. ROTC isn't an acronym, it's an initialism, and therefore a narrator should pronounce each letter.

09-12-2017, 01:28 PM	#114
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,323 Karma: 80074820 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), iPad Air M3	As someone born in the US, who has listened to and watched _many_ UK books and productions, and now lives in Canada, the various differences in pronunciations still often catch me out. 'an-SILL-a-ree' wouldn't bother me, even though I'd grown up with 'AN-sill-air-ee', but others still grate. OTOH, I now find the US pronunciation of 'praah-ject' instead of 'pro-ject' positively annoying. Even when I do it myself. As for rot-see -- my teachers always referred to ROTC, but no one who was in it ever used anything but rot-see. I have no idea what's current, however.

06-04-2020, 06:01 PM	#115
issybird o saeclum infacetum Posts: 21,520 Karma: 236076651 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New England Device: Mini, H2O, Glo HD, Aura One, PW4, PW5	How can anyone* not know how to pronounce John Maynard Keynes? And even if a narrator is so unfortunate, how can such an error not be caught and fixed? Nails on chalkboard territory. *Alan Sklar is the miscreant. He’s new to me, but if he keeps it up, he’s one and done.

06-04-2020, 07:24 PM	#118
issybird o saeclum infacetum Posts: 21,520 Karma: 236076651 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New England Device: Mini, H2O, Glo HD, Aura One, PW4, PW5	“Keens.”

06-04-2020, 07:26 PM	#119
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,323 Karma: 80074820 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), iPad Air M3	Sigh. Yet another example of the decline and fall of practically everything.

06-04-2020, 08:04 PM	#120
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,574 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	You'd have to know you were wrong, to think of looking it up. My first guess was "keens" too. I'm not sure I know him, though it sounds a little familiar.