Metadata Plugboards - Question about title sort

lealla · 08-18-2017, 06:53 AM

Hello!

I've recently used this guide to set up shelf management in my Kobo Aura H20.

I set up the option for <Series> - <Number> - <Title>, and chose kepub for format and title sort for destination.

I wanted for the series to be sorted by the renamed title with the series at the front (i.e Poirot - 01 - The Mysterious Affair at Styles but to display the unedited title on screen (so it would just look like "The Mysterious Affair at Styles") on screen. (This is because I use the Kobo Plugin in Calibre to sync the series underneath the book title, and would prefer not to have a double up of series information on the screen.)

However, it doesn't seem to have worked, as my kobo is still sorting the books by their visible title (not their 'title sort').

My question is: does the kobo understand 'title sort', and is it possible to set up the library to sort by one metadata but display another?

Was it an error to select kepub instead of epub?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

davidfor · 08-18-2017, 08:11 AM

No, the Kobo devices do not have a separate title sort. Whatever is in the title is what is displayed and is how the title sorting works (with the exceptions of articles such as "the" and "a"). The same goes for the name and the series sort in the firmware versions that have it. And the series sort largely removes the need to add the series info into change the title. That part of the guide is a little bit out of date.

I would recommend removing the title changing part of the plugboard for the future. You can fix the metadata for books already on the device with my Kobo Utilities plugin.

lealla · 08-19-2017, 02:23 AM

Thanks Davidfor, that is a very helpful summary. I did notice the sort by series on the kobo, but it doesn't work so well for collections with multiple authors. Never mind, I'll just work around it for now

Stevex · 08-20-2017, 09:23 AM

I have several collections with multiple authors, and don't see any obvious problem? Sort by series works fine (including non-integer series numbers)?

lealla · 08-22-2017, 06:17 AM

Sorry - that was a very vague thing to say!
What I meant was, I like how it sorts on calibre, which is firstly by author, and secondarily by series.

So, Douglas Adams comes before Bill Bryson, and their books are sorted by series alphabetically, with standalond books fitting in alphabetically into place between the series.

At the moment, on the Kobo, my series option sorts all the books by title, and then by series. So, when I have say, a collection for fantasy, it sorts all the books by the series title / book title, and all the authors are mixed together.

However, this is not a problem, just a preference issue on how it sorts.

davidfor · 08-22-2017, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lealla

Sorry - that was a very vague thing to say!
What I meant was, I like how it sorts on calibre, which is firstly by author, and secondarily by series.

So, Douglas Adams comes before Bill Bryson, and their books are sorted by series alphabetically, with standalond books fitting in alphabetically into place between the series.

The sorting in calibre sorting is dynamic. When you change the sort, the previous sort is used as the secondary sort. So, if you sort by title, then change to author, you will have the books sorted by title within author. If you then sort by the modified column, it will use the modified ate as the primary sort, then by author within that, and title within that. And so on. There is a tweak to set the number of sort levels which defaults to five.

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At the moment, on the Kobo, my series option sorts all the books by title, and then by series. So, when I have say, a collection for fantasy, it sorts all the books by the series title / book title, and all the authors are mixed together.

However, this is not a problem, just a preference issue on how it sorts.

And that is exactly how I would expect the sort to work unless a mechanism like that used by calibre exists.

lealla · 08-27-2017, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by davidfor

The sorting in calibre sorting is dynamic. When you change the sort, the previous sort is used as the secondary sort. So, if you sort by title, then change to author, you will have the books sorted by title within author. If you then sort by the modified column, it will use the modified ate as the primary sort, then by author within that, and title within that. And so on. There is a tweak to set the number of sort levels which defaults to five.

And that is exactly how I would expect the sort to work unless a mechanism like that used by calibre exists.

Thanks Davidfor, that makes sense. I don't expect to be able to change the way Kobo sorts, but I hope one day Kobo might use dynamic search too. At the moment, I've taken to browsing my books on my phone via Calibre companion, and then just using the search option to find them on my Kobo. Not the most seamless, but it works

08-18-2017, 06:53 AM	#1
lealla Enthusiast Posts: 39 Karma: 714 Join Date: Jun 2015 Device: Kobo Aura H2O	Metadata Plugboards - Question about title sort Hello! I've recently used this guide to set up shelf management in my Kobo Aura H20. I set up the option for <Series> - <Number> - <Title>, and chose kepub for format and title sort for destination. I wanted for the series to be sorted by the renamed title with the series at the front (i.e Poirot - 01 - The Mysterious Affair at Styles but to display the unedited title on screen (so it would just look like "The Mysterious Affair at Styles") on screen. (This is because I use the Kobo Plugin in Calibre to sync the series underneath the book title, and would prefer not to have a double up of series information on the screen.) However, it doesn't seem to have worked, as my kobo is still sorting the books by their visible title (not their 'title sort'). My question is: does the kobo understand 'title sort', and is it possible to set up the library to sort by one metadata but display another? Was it an error to select kepub instead of epub? Any help would be greatly appreciated Last edited by lealla; 08-18-2017 at 06:56 AM.

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08-18-2017, 08:11 AM	#2
davidfor Grand Sorcerer Posts: 24,905 Karma: 47303824 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Device: Kobo:Touch,Glo, AuraH2O, GloHD,AuraONE, ClaraHD, Libra H2O; tolinoepos	No, the Kobo devices do not have a separate title sort. Whatever is in the title is what is displayed and is how the title sorting works (with the exceptions of articles such as "the" and "a"). The same goes for the name and the series sort in the firmware versions that have it. And the series sort largely removes the need to add the series info into change the title. That part of the guide is a little bit out of date. I would recommend removing the title changing part of the plugboard for the future. You can fix the metadata for books already on the device with my Kobo Utilities plugin.

08-19-2017, 02:23 AM	#3
lealla Enthusiast Posts: 39 Karma: 714 Join Date: Jun 2015 Device: Kobo Aura H2O	Thanks Davidfor, that is a very helpful summary. I did notice the sort by series on the kobo, but it doesn't work so well for collections with multiple authors. Never mind, I'll just work around it for now

08-20-2017, 09:23 AM	#4
Stevex Addict Posts: 225 Karma: 15318 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kobo Glo HD	I have several collections with multiple authors, and don't see any obvious problem? Sort by series works fine (including non-integer series numbers)?

08-22-2017, 06:17 AM	#5
lealla Enthusiast Posts: 39 Karma: 714 Join Date: Jun 2015 Device: Kobo Aura H2O	Sorry - that was a very vague thing to say! What I meant was, I like how it sorts on calibre, which is firstly by author, and secondarily by series. So, Douglas Adams comes before Bill Bryson, and their books are sorted by series alphabetically, with standalond books fitting in alphabetically into place between the series. At the moment, on the Kobo, my series option sorts all the books by title, and then by series. So, when I have say, a collection for fantasy, it sorts all the books by the series title / book title, and all the authors are mixed together. However, this is not a problem, just a preference issue on how it sorts.