Next model kobo? Kobo Aura H2O Edition 2

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

i do practice what i preach sadly people like you keep telling me my that my idea's are terrible in other word's (not enough profit for Kobo) which is fair enough but then why not be polite and just say let's agree to disagree which is what i (ALWAYS) do if reciprocated.

I have never said your idea's were terrible. If I have, please point it out. Actually, I might have in the past, but I'm pretty sure I haven't said it in this thread, or about the topic under discussion - whether devices should have external SD cards or buttons.

What I have done is express my opinion. And explain why I think think that. And said why I think what you have asked for will not come about. In doing that, I am expressing MY opinion. I have NOT said your opinion was wrong. I haven't even really disagreed with it. Any disagreement is on how important these features are. I am completely happy for any device maker to include an external SD card or page turn buttons. And I'm pretty sure I have said that external SD cards are useful (again, maybe not in this thread). But, I don't really have a use for them and am happy with the increasing size of he internal storage. For the page turn buttons, I don't really have an opinion on them. I have never used an ereader with them outside of testing them in a shop, and am quite happy with the way the touch screen works.

So: I'm expressing my opinion. I am expressing a different opinion to you. I am also expressing an opinion on facets of your opinion. I think it is time that YOU accept that other have different opinions and want to discuss them.

And please point out anywhere I have not been polite. I will apologise if needed.

i'm glad i don't live in your Country you are being robbed, in mine the KA1 is only £20 more than the Kindle Voyage.

Yes, Australians generally consider they are getting ripped off for tech. But, it's the price we have to pay. And direct comparisons of prices between countries are hard. Beyond the exchange rates, there are taxes and exactly what the local buying power is. And I was using the prices as a comparison. It's about a 20% price difference. As I said, my memory, says the differences are roughly that in most markets. And I am of the opinion that not enough people are willing to pay the 20% extra for these features to make it worthwhile for the companies to produce the device.

Again, my opinion. And one that I am completely happy to have proved wrong.

[chrisridd]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What I would like to see is Kobo or Amazon make the same Reader in two models. One with page turn buttons and one without. Then we'd see which sells better. The one with the buttons would be more expensive though because of the added buttons.

I've not used the card slot of my H2O, but that doesn't mean others won't. The card slot does not get in the way at all. Buttons could maybe get in the way unless there was some way to turn them off. The buttons on the T1 did not get in the way, but then they were close to the bottom on the left side.

To be honest, I don't think we'll satisfy everyone. The buttons are going to be an issue. Use normal buttons and yes, they can be accidentally pressed. Use buttons (like the Voyage) and the cost is going up even more and that's not good when the user doesn't want buttons.

What I want more then a card slot or buttons is a heftier battery for more life between charges.

Nobody is going to release two devices that differ by SD card/buttons. That's two separate manufacturing lines, QA, FCC testing, ... That's also what companies do when they develop new hardware: they trial several, make their choices based on what they know of the market, and then ship the one they think will sell.

I propose that Kobo know a lot more about their market than us armchair experts :-)

But +1 on the battery life. I think the KA1's shorter battery life has really highlighted that ereader battery life is a really important feature to us, though it doesn't seem to have stopped Kobo selling out of the KA1 every time they get stock. Again, what do we know?

[JSWolf]

I would like to ask, why buttons instead of using the touch screen (for those that want/like buttons)?

[Nascarfan1972]

Regarding the issue of internal versus external memory, I would rather pay say £30 more for a device that had either 16gb or 32gb of internal memory and no external sd card (with the option to replace the internal card if it got corrupted in some way.

All of the Kobo's (2 glo's, 2 mini's and a glo HD) that I was able to expand the memory of now have 32gb sd cards in them, it makes it far easier to say sync an update without having to remove books from the internal memory. Which incidentally with over 2900 books on the devices, is a frustrating and time consuming exercise on my 2 6" aura's.

As an aside, I also wish the kinlde paperwhite had a version with 32gb of memory.

Thanks
Nascarfan 1972

[chrisridd]

Originally Posted by Nascarfan1972

Regarding the issue of internal versus external memory, I would rather pay say £30 more for a device that had either 16gb or 32gb of internal memory and no external sd card (with the option to replace the internal card if it got corrupted in some way.

A bit like how iPads (probably other tablets) have 32GB and 128GB models... I agree. I wonder how much more memory would cost Kobo?

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What I would like to see is Kobo or Amazon make the same Reader in two models. One with page turn buttons and one without.

Doesn't Amazon already do that?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Pajamaman

Doesn't Amazon already do that?

There is only one model Voyage and one model Oasis. There is the PW and the Basic (both without buttons), but those are not the same.

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is only one model Voyage and one model Oasis. There is the PW and the Basic (both without buttons), but those are not the same.

True. There all the same size, unlike Kobo and other manufacturers who differentiate their readers by screen-size, so I tend to see the Kindles as the same model, just with different bells and whistles.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Pajamaman

True. There all the same size, unlike Kobo and other manufacturers who differentiate their readers by screen-size, so I tend to see the Kindles as the same model, just with different bells and whistles.

interesting i would say Kindle's have more variation on hardware Features like the page sensor's and touch screen on the same device (Kindle Voyage) i do agree though they don't offer different size screens.


in the past for me Kobo had the advantage of having the Micro SD card slot up to 32GB, but now that's gone the same way as the Dodo, so unless you want the H2O which i don't for my preference it's too big.

so at the moment there is no new Kobo 6" device worth buying the Aura edition 2 is frankly laughable IMHO it pales into insignificance compared to the original Aura 6"

the only advantage Kobo as over Kindle is if you want the larger screen of the KA1 which again i don't.

to be honest in my opinion all the Kobo e-reader's are basically the same when it comes to Hardware Features it's all touch screen and nothing else, the only way they differ from each other is in the screen sizes and that's it.

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

I have never said your idea's were terrible. If I have, please point it out. Actually, I might have in the past, but I'm pretty sure I haven't said it in this thread, or about the topic under discussion - whether devices should have external SD cards or buttons.

What I have done is express my opinion. And explain why I think think that. And said why I think what you have asked for will not come about. In doing that, I am expressing MY opinion. I have NOT said your opinion was wrong. I haven't even really disagreed with it. Any disagreement is on how important these features are. I am completely happy for any device maker to include an external SD card or page turn buttons. And I'm pretty sure I have said that external SD cards are useful (again, maybe not in this thread). But, I don't really have a use for them and am happy with the increasing size of he internal storage. For the page turn buttons, I don't really have an opinion on them. I have never used an ereader with them outside of testing them in a shop, and am quite happy with the way the touch screen works.

So: I'm expressing my opinion. I am expressing a different opinion to you. I am also expressing an opinion on facets of your opinion. I think it is time that YOU accept that other have different opinions and want to discuss them.

And please point out anywhere I have not been polite. I will apologise if needed.


Yes, Australians generally consider they are getting ripped off for tech. But, it's the price we have to pay. And direct comparisons of prices between countries are hard. Beyond the exchange rates, there are taxes and exactly what the local buying power is. And I was using the prices as a comparison. It's about a 20% price difference. As I said, my memory, says the differences are roughly that in most markets. And I am of the opinion that not enough people are willing to pay the 20% extra for these features to make it worthwhile for the companies to produce the device.

Again, my opinion. And one that I am completely happy to have proved wrong.

thank you for your opinion i believe more choice (hardware features) equals more customer's and less vice versa but eh what would i know i'm only one of them.

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I would like to ask, why buttons instead of using the touch screen (for those that want/like buttons)?

it would be nice to have both, use the button's for page turns only so that you don't have to use the screen all the time, and then use the touch screen for everything else settings etc etc etc.

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Nascarfan1972

Regarding the issue of internal versus external memory, I would rather pay say £30 more for a device that had either 16gb or 32gb of internal memory and no external sd card (with the option to replace the internal card if it got corrupted in some way.

All of the Kobo's (2 glo's, 2 mini's and a glo HD) that I was able to expand the memory of now have 32gb sd cards in them, it makes it far easier to say sync an update without having to remove books from the internal memory. Which incidentally with over 2900 books on the devices, is a frustrating and time consuming exercise on my 2 6" aura's.

As an aside, I also wish the kinlde paperwhite had a version with 32gb of memory.

Thanks
Nascarfan 1972

i do very much like your idea of being able to change the internal card easily either like you say for if it got corrupted, but also to put a larger GB size card in if you wanted to do so.

btw someone on here brought there 6" Aura back to life by only using the external Micro SD card slot.

best wishes koboy

[robko]

Originally Posted by koboy

interesting i would say Kindle's as more variation on hardware Features like the page sensor's and touch screen on the same device (Kindle Voyage) i do agree though they don't offer different size screens.

I'm still struggling to understand how just having a device (actually 2 I guess) amounts to Kindle having more variation than Kobo? Kindle has 2 different resolutions, 1 screen size, 3G possibility and page turn buttons on 2 of the devices.
Kobo has multiple resolutions depending what price point you're willing to pay, waterproof option, comfort light option and 3 different screen sizes. How is that any less hardware variation than Kindle? Just because not all of these devices may have options you or I may want or care about (from both companies), that doesn't mean that they don't both have quite a variation in options across their product line.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by robko

I'm still struggling to understand how just having a device (actually 2 I guess) amounts to Kindle having more variation than Kobo? Kindle has 2 different resolutions, 1 screen size, 3G possibility and page turn buttons on 2 of the devices.
Kobo has multiple resolutions depending what price point you're willing to pay, waterproof option, comfort light option and 3 different screen sizes. How is that any less hardware variation than Kindle? Just because not all of these devices may have options you or I may want or care about (from both companies), that doesn't mean that they don't both have quite a variation in options across their product line.

basic kindle no light, paperwhite light, light or lack of light being the difference between the two , Kindle Voyage as page sensor's a difference from the paperwhite.

then the Oasis rotates nice feature if you want it, again another difference from the other three Kindles already mentioned, i hope this helps to clear up any confusion regarding my own particular thought process.

and of course i understand and really don't mind if you don't agree with it

best wishes koboy

[robko]

Originally Posted by koboy

basic kindle no light, paperwhite light, light or lack of light being the difference between the two , Kindle Voyage as page sensor's a difference from the paperwhite.

then the Oasis rotates nice feature if you want it, again another difference from the other three Kindles already mentioned, i hope this helps to clear up any confusion regarding my own particular thought process.

and of course i understand and really don't mind if you don't agree with it

best wishes koboy

Kobo Touch 2 no light vs Kobo Aura Edition 2 has. Kobo H2O waterproof and bigger size vs previous 2. Kobo Aura 1 has comfort light, autolight sensor and bigger size vs H2O.
And the rotation feature on the Oasis is not really a hardware feature but much more software feature although the fact that it senses rotation could be argued as hardware feature. But rotation is not dependent on the hardware (it could be done in the firmware) so I'd argue it's not a hardware feature.

Your claiming Kindle has more hardware variation isn't a matter of opinion. It's demonstrably wrong with facts.