Next model kobo? Kobo Aura H2O Edition 2

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

But your suggestions don't make a better reader IMHO, I needen't buttons and, if they mean a bigger ereader, they're an annoyance for me. I shrug for a SD-card, I've had ereaders with it (and lees internal storage) and I've never used it. So, for me, those additions don't mean a better reader. Are they interesting for you? Good, but if somebody isn't interested in them doesn't mean they don't want the bet but their best is not your best.

you don't have to have less internal storage just because you have an external Micro SD card slot that would be Kobo's decision and a bad one if they did that, just because you don't want button's or a Micro SD card slot doesn't mean other people don't it cut's both ways.

you are a perfect example of wanting the complete opposite to me (no surprise on here), the point i am making is extremely clear cater to all people's need's or at least try to, not just to yours and not just to mine.

i want the best reading experience possible just like you and everyone else does why shouldn't i try to have it?

btw. i wouldn't say the Kindle Voyage was Big and that as page sensor's on either side as i'm relatively sure you will already know.

i think that just about cover's all the bases for now.

Next.

best wishes koboy

[robko]

Originally Posted by koboy

... the point i am making is extremely clear cater to all people's need's or at least try to, not just to yours and not just to mine.

In a perfect world, yes this would be the goal. In a real world this is NEVER going to happen with a successful device/company. Everything's a tradeoff, and while you might want one set of features and I might want a completely different set, for a company to survive they have to design and build a device that's the best tradeoff of features and cost that allows them to optimize as much as possible the net return they make on the device. And ereaders are a TINY market, so companies can't afford to cater to the small niche of niche market that wants what you want.
Sorry, but expecting any company to aim for the "perfect" or even the best device (however you define that) and ignore the economics of it is never going to happen.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by robko

In a perfect world, yes this would be the goal. In a real world this is NEVER going to happen with a successful device/company. Everything's a tradeoff, and while you might want one set of features and I might want a completely different set, for a company to survive they have to design and build a device that's the best tradeoff of features and cost that allows them to optimize as much as possible the net return they make on the device. And ereaders are a TINY market, so companies can't afford to cater to the small niche of niche market that wants what you want.
Sorry, but expecting any company to aim for the "perfect" or even the best device (however you define that) and ignore the economics of it is never going to happen.

although i agree with most of your points, the decision is ultimately up to the company to make.

in this case it as been pretty obvious to me since Kobo stopped putting the Micro SD card slot on their newer model's they are more interested in like you say (cost) rather than giving their customer's some significant new features for example adding button's.

it's a shame really because unless you want the larger screen like the KA1 without the Micro SD card slot, then they should take a leaf out of Kindle's book (no pun intended) who's range of e-reader's definitely cater's to a much wider range of choice (therefore customer's) than what Kobo do, IMHO.

it's not too difficult to see why Kindle e-reader's sell more than Kobo is it folks.

just rehashing the same old very slightly different e-reader year in year out over and over again, IMHO is definitely not worth the money.

if Kobo aren't or won't significantly evolve their new e-reader's then for me they should just stick to selling books and not bother bringing out any new model's.

best wishes koboy

[filmo]

My first Kobo reader had page turn button a horrible 5 way switch that took too much effort to turn page and cover came unglued. Kobo touch is much better. My sony reader has page turn buttons that I seldom use because poor placement and vertical or horizontal swipes for page turns work better. I like IR touch better than capacitance touch page turns because it is more reliable.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by filmo

My first Kobo reader had page turn button a horrible 5 way switch that took too much effort to turn page and cover came unglued. Kobo touch is much better. My sony reader has page turn buttons that I seldom use because poor placement and vertical or horizontal swipes for page turns work better. I like IR touch better than capacitance touch page turns because it is more reliable.

thank you for sharing, i'd like both (sorry you already know that) perhaps something like the Kindle Voyage instead of tap tap tapping or swipe swipe swiping for everything.

i wonder what the odds are on someone actually agreeing with me on here are, i would imagine extremely slim therefore i won't be holding my breath, surely some of you must miss the external Micro SD card slot from the newer model's?

best wishes koboy

[JSWolf]

What I would like to see is Kobo or Amazon make the same Reader in two models. One with page turn buttons and one without. Then we'd see which sells better. The one with the buttons would be more expensive though because of the added buttons.

I've not used the card slot of my H2O, but that doesn't mean others won't. The card slot does not get in the way at all. Buttons could maybe get in the way unless there was some way to turn them off. The buttons on the T1 did not get in the way, but then they were close to the bottom on the left side.

To be honest, I don't think we'll satisfy everyone. The buttons are going to be an issue. Use normal buttons and yes, they can be accidentally pressed. Use buttons (like the Voyage) and the cost is going up even more and that's not good when the user doesn't want buttons.

What I want more then a card slot or buttons is a heftier battery for more life between charges.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What I would like to see is Kobo or Amazon make the same Reader in two models. One with page turn buttons and one without. Then we'd see which sells better. The one with the buttons would be more expensive though because of the added buttons.

I've not used the card slot of my H2O, but that doesn't mean others won't. The card slot does not get in the way at all. Buttons could maybe get in the way unless there was some way to turn them off. The buttons on the T1 did not get in the way, but then they were close to the bottom on the left side.

To be honest, I don't think we'll satisfy everyone. The buttons are going to be an issue. Use normal buttons and yes, they can be accidentally pressed. Use buttons (like the Voyage) and the cost is going up even more and that's not good when the user doesn't want buttons.

What I want more then a card slot or buttons is a heftier battery for more life between charges.

all excellent point's well made especially regarding a decent size battery on any future Kobo model's.

i don't think a button only device for all function's would appeal to too many people although of course i could be wrong, i was specifically thinking along the same lines as something like the Kindle Voyage you mentioned but obviously by Kobo.

and thank you for acknowledging that there are those that do use the external Micro SD card slot it isn't purely cosmetic.

best wishes koboy

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by koboy

having been using this forum for almost 3 years, it's very clear to me that some on here are only interested in Kobo making the cheapest possible e-reader rather than concentrating on making the best, usual disclaimer applies IMHO, enjoy your day

The overarching theme in many of your messages seems to be an inability to accept that your opinion as to what a Kobo ereader should have as features is not necessarily what a majority of the posters in these fora, nevermind the average Kobo owner who will never visit them, would consider as being a necessary or even desirable feature.

It reminds me of a favourite Simpsons episode -- Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?.

As for enjoying my day? I get to play with my favourite toys every work day and get well paid to do so. Life is good.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

all excellent point's well made especially regarding a decent size battery on any future Kobo model's.

i don't think a button only device for all function's would appeal to too many people although of course i could be wrong, i was specifically thinking along the same lines as something like the Kindle Voyage you mentioned but obviously by Kobo.

and thank you for acknowledging that there are those that do use the external Micro SD card slot it isn't purely cosmetic.

No one is saying that these features wouldn't appeal to people. But, here's a question for you: How much extra would you pay for them?

The features you are asking for, external SD card, buttons (which includes redesigning the case to fit them and still be strong enough), all the other things you are wanting, will cost Kobo to add to the devices and add software to handle them. How much would you personally pay above the costs of the existing devices to have these things?

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

No one is saying that these features wouldn't appeal to people. But, here's a question for you: How much extra would you pay for them?

The features you are asking for, external SD card, buttons (which includes redesigning the case to fit them and still be strong enough), all the other things you are wanting, will cost Kobo to add to the devices and add software to handle them. How much would you personally pay above the costs of the existing devices to have these things?

the external Micro SD card was on 5 kobo model's perhaps more please correct me if i'm wrong? the H2O is still available as you will know, i was more than happy with the price of all 5 of them.

regarding the cost of the button's i would much rather pay extra for them and a Micro SD card slot on a 6" device than pay for the KA1, as you can see it's all about choice, sadly Kobo e-reader's are very limited in that department.

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by DNSB

The overarching theme in many of your messages seems to be an inability to accept that your opinion as to what a Kobo ereader should have as features is not necessarily what a majority of the posters in these fora, nevermind the average Kobo owner who will never visit them, would consider as being a necessary or even desirable feature.

It reminds me of a favourite Simpsons episode -- Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?.

As for enjoying my day? I get to play with my favourite toys every work day and get well paid to do so. Life is good.

as we all have limited time on this planet i can definitely think of better things to do with mine than watch the Simpson's but i'm pleased for you that you enjoy it, each to their own i suppose.

the problem isn't that i can't accept that my opinion isn't in the majority although majority of who? if you mean some of the people on here then of course i'm in the minority, although IMHO to say that it is a clickish echo chamber on here would be an understatement.

keep on enjoying your day's and i will do the same.

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

the external Micro SD card was on 5 kobo model's perhaps more please correct me if i'm wrong? the H2O is still available as you will know, i was more than happy with the price of all 5 of them.

regarding the cost of the button's i would much rather pay extra for them and a Micro SD card slot on a 6" device than pay for the KA1, as you can see it's all about choice, sadly Kobo e-reader's are very limited in that department.

Yes, the external SD card was on several models of Kobo. I've never bothered to count how many, so I'll trust your count of 5. You have only bought one of them, a long time ago, and have consistently stated you don't want to upgrade to the later devices. Including the Aura H2O. So, I don't really know if you were happy with their prices.

But, it doesn't matter what you were willing to do three or four years ago. How much NOW? For all the features you want. Yes, the Aura H2O still ha a card, but it doesn't have buttons or other things you mentioned. It's a simple question. How much extra are you willing to pay?

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Yes, the external SD card was on several models of Kobo. I've never bothered to count how many, so I'll trust your count of 5. You have only bought one of them, a long time ago, and have consistently stated you don't want to upgrade to the later devices. Including the Aura H2O. So, I don't really know if you were happy with their prices.

But, it doesn't matter what you were willing to do three or four years ago. How much NOW? For all the features you want. Yes, the Aura H2O still ha a card, but it doesn't have buttons or other things you mentioned. It's a simple question. How much extra are you willing to pay?

regarding the cost of the button's i would much rather pay extra for them and a Micro SD card slot on a 6" device than pay for the KA1, did you miss that part?

it's also a simple answer i would pay the cost of the KA1 which is just a bit more then the Kindle Voyage.

the problem with some of you on here is that you need to (LEARN) that everyone's opinion including mine is just as valid as your own regardless of if you agree with it or not.

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

regarding the cost of the button's i would much rather pay extra for them and a Micro SD card slot on a 6" device than pay for the KA1, did you miss that part?

it's also a simple answer i would pay the cost of the KA1 which is just a bit more then the Kindle Voyage.

I didn't miss the fact you said you would pay more. But, what you said you would rather pay extra than for the Aura ONE. That didn't tell me how much extra you were willing to pay. I suppose it might have suggested this, but, I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth. But, now that you have clarified it....

Really? The Aura ONE is $350 in Australia. The Glo HD was $189. You are willing to pretty much double the price to get an external SD card and buttons. To put it mildly, I am completely stunned. And the Voyage is $294 here. I don't consider the Aura ONE to be "just a bit more" than that. And the last time I checked, prices for these devices in other countries had a similar price ratio.

But, how many other people do you think are willing to pay that?

the problem with some of you on here is that you need to (LEARN) that everyone's opinion including mine is just as valid as your own regardless of if you agree with it or not.

Sorry, I can only disagree with you about this and add that you should be carefully to practice what you preach.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

I didn't miss the fact you said you would pay more. But, what you said you would rather pay extra than for the Aura ONE. That didn't tell me how much extra you were willing to pay. I suppose it might have suggested this, but, I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth. But, now that you have clarified it....

Really? The Aura ONE is $350 in Australia. The Glo HD was $189. You are willing to pretty much double the price to get an external SD card and buttons. To put it mildly, I am completely stunned. And the Voyage is $294 here. I don't consider the Aura ONE to be "just a bit more" than that. And the last time I checked, prices for these devices in other countries had a similar price ratio.

But, how many other people do you think are willing to pay that?


Sorry, I can only disagree with you about this and add that you should be carefully to practice what you preach.

i do practice what i preach sadly people like you keep telling me my that my idea's are terrible in other word's (not enough profit for Kobo) which is fair enough but then why not be polite and just say let's agree to disagree which is what i (ALWAYS) do if reciprocated.

i'm glad i don't live in your Country you are being robbed, in mine the KA1 is only £20 more than the Kindle Voyage.

best wishes koboy