Sick of Amazon Kindle books without Page Numbers... - Page 16

ApK · 02-22-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Those people are simply "not me." And they're free to continue being "not me" (with no interference from me trying to convince them that they'd be better off if they were, in fact, me).

Yet here you are in a poll thread, talking about it with the rest of us.

This is a discussion forum, not a congressional filibuster, and the only thing at stake is sharing opinions, thoughts and arguments (argument as in 'make a case for," not necisarrily "fight.")

HOWEVER, if an additional function of this community is to put the weight of consumer's opinions behind a message to providers and ask for some change, then it's not merely expressing an preference, it's a vote for or against the idea of spending resources on something, either "yes, I want Amazon spending time and money implementing this feature, yes I would appreciate and support app developers who put this feature in their readers," or "no, don't drive costs up with stuff that has no real value but to a tiny minority, and don't clutter up and complicate a good app by shoehorning in these features."

Point is, people's right to preference is not at issue, and really not worth mentioning, and your live-and-let-live attitude may be harming us all.

DiapDealer · 02-22-2017, 10:59 AM

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Yet here you are in a poll thread, talking about it with the rest of us.

Funny. I don't ever remember suggesting that discussion shouldn't take place.

I merely offered my take on things. You being "not me," however, are free to interpret my words any way you like. I'd need more input from other participants before I gave your opinion that my attitude might actually be harmful to the discussion much merit, though. I'd be perfectly willing to bow out of a discussion where my input was deemed disruptive or primarily pedantic in nature.

ApK · 02-22-2017, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Funny. I don't ever remember suggesting that discussion shouldn't take place.

Didn't say or imply you did.
I'm simply not clear on what value you found in making a post saying essentially only "this discussion has no importance to me."

theducks · 02-22-2017, 11:24 AM

Kindles have 'Location' numbers.
I use those to locate (on K4PC +Calibre) and FIX

that I find while reading on my K4.

(the number of self pub books without word errors is low. loose vs lose, kreeped vs krept, bear vs bare... some even claimed professional editing. BTW I was a 'D' student in English and I found those)

ApK · 02-22-2017, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by theducks

kreeped vs krept

Shouldn't that be "crept?"

DiapDealer · 02-22-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

I'm simply not clear on what value you found in making a post saying essentially only "this discussion has no importance to me."

Ah ... I see the problem now. You took away something from my post that I didn't actually say (and never implied). Happens from time to time. *shrug*

issybird · 02-22-2017, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Ah ... I see the problem now. You took away something from my post that I didn't actually say (and never implied). Happens from time to time. *shrug*

Yup.

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Originally Posted by ApK

You seem to be saying "I want ebook locations to be larger than Amazon's and I want to call them pages." OK fine. Which of us is hung up on terminology?

Not the person who said:

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Originally Posted by issybird

Change the name, If that would make you feel better.

What I said, was:

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Page number is just a handy term adopted to mark a consistent amount of digital text, in this context.

I don't really see how I can be clearer than that. Straw men, as I said.

Atunah · 02-22-2017, 12:40 PM

I like my kindle books to have page numbers. Lately only about 1 in 3 seem to have them though. Its just personal thing. I don't care if it matches any other editions, that is now why I like them. For me its a reading guide. In paperbooks I could see just by the chunk of pages read/unread where I was in the book.

With kindles I got used to having locations. But really, what I loved the most and still do is the bottom progress reading bar. The one that goes across with the dots for chapters. Unfortunately they took that one away on newer kindles and I still would like the option back. They could just make it a option in the rotation like the others. But oh well. So closest for me as when the started having pages. So I set it to pages on left and it has the percentage on right. Not as good as progress bar, but I'll work with what I got. Those books not having pages, I set to time left in book. I kind of know how long it takes me to read a book and its quite accurate.

Its really just a preference thing for me, I like a visual cue to where I am in the book. Not a deal breaker of course, but I like what I like.

ApK · 02-22-2017, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by issybird

. Straw men, as I said.

Non sequitur, as explained.

DiapDealer · 02-22-2017, 01:04 PM

habeas corpus
tempus fugit
caveat emptor
modus operandi
veni, vidi, vici

hedwig · 02-22-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

So without knowing an actual page count, percents are better than numbers.

Yes, I agree that when there is no page count, % is definitely better. However, most of the books that I read do have a page count and so, for me, having page numbers is better than locations.

ApK · 02-22-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

habeas corpus
tempus fugit
caveat emptor
modus operandi
veni, vidi, vici

QED.

Cinisajoy · 02-22-2017, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hedwig

Yes, I agree that when there is no page count, % is definitely better. However, most of the books that I read do have a page count and so, for me, having page numbers is better than locations.

I have seen some that say page 30 of 300. It is the ones that just say 20 that is not so useful. 20 of how many?

Atunah · 02-22-2017, 05:16 PM

It only says 45 or whatever the page is on my kindles. It doesn't say out of so many pages. I wouldn't mind that being there also, but at this point I don't even get page numbers everytime.

For me I check the page number when I first open a book. It opens the about the book. Or if it was already opened before, I just go to about the book as I start the book. I pretty much only read one book at a time so it works for me.

When the page numbers are available, I can always tap the top screen and then it tells me of the bottom page 4 of 342 for example. In case I forgot how many pages the book has. Tapping the bottom or swiping up both gives that page info. If there are pages, otherwise it just gives locations.

theducks · 02-22-2017, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Shouldn't that be "crept?"

that one crept in

View Poll Results: How important are page numbers in Kindle Books?
Very important - I tend to avoid those books and forget the author	16	8.56%
Nice to have - I use them if they are there	57	30.48%
Not important at all - get over yourself.	114	60.96%
Voters: 187. You may not vote on this poll

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02-22-2017, 11:24 AM	#229
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,094 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Kindles have 'Location' numbers. I use those to locate (on K4PC +Calibre) and FIX that I find while reading on my K4. (the number of self pub books without word errors is low. loose vs lose, kreeped vs krept, bear vs bare... some even claimed professional editing. BTW I was a 'D' student in English and I found those)

02-22-2017, 12:40 PM	#233
Atunah Wizard Posts: 1,817 Karma: 23400001 Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Device: K1/K3/BasicK Voyage/Oasis1/Oasis3	I like my kindle books to have page numbers. Lately only about 1 in 3 seem to have them though. Its just personal thing. I don't care if it matches any other editions, that is now why I like them. For me its a reading guide. In paperbooks I could see just by the chunk of pages read/unread where I was in the book. With kindles I got used to having locations. But really, what I loved the most and still do is the bottom progress reading bar. The one that goes across with the dots for chapters. Unfortunately they took that one away on newer kindles and I still would like the option back. They could just make it a option in the rotation like the others. But oh well. So closest for me as when the started having pages. So I set it to pages on left and it has the percentage on right. Not as good as progress bar, but I'll work with what I got. Those books not having pages, I set to time left in book. I kind of know how long it takes me to read a book and its quite accurate. Its really just a preference thing for me, I like a visual cue to where I am in the book. Not a deal breaker of course, but I like what I like.

02-22-2017, 01:04 PM	#235
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,643 Karma: 204624552 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	habeas corpus tempus fugit caveat emptor modus operandi veni, vidi, vici

02-22-2017, 05:16 PM	#239
Atunah Wizard Posts: 1,817 Karma: 23400001 Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Device: K1/K3/BasicK Voyage/Oasis1/Oasis3	It only says 45 or whatever the page is on my kindles. It doesn't say out of so many pages. I wouldn't mind that being there also, but at this point I don't even get page numbers everytime. For me I check the page number when I first open a book. It opens the about the book. Or if it was already opened before, I just go to about the book as I start the book. I pretty much only read one book at a time so it works for me. When the page numbers are available, I can always tap the top screen and then it tells me of the bottom page 4 of 342 for example. In case I forgot how many pages the book has. Tapping the bottom or swiping up both gives that page info. If there are pages, otherwise it just gives locations.