Links not accessible

chaot · 01-27-2017, 08:01 AM

May be not the right place for my concern? (I didn't find a better one): A mobileread concerning issue.

Anyway: Please make sure that links are accessible, especially links from a tutorial, even it's an older one.

The links under User Manual Links for Conversion: all refer to

404 Not Found

Ravensknight · 01-27-2017, 08:10 AM

Welcome to the internet...

chaot · 01-27-2017, 08:40 AM

I had already expected such a kind of response.

Is there no way to save such linked sites on a mobileread server? Only in special cases, of course. It seems quite normal that linked sites disappeare.

JSWolf · 01-27-2017, 08:56 AM

The problem would be that the staff wuld have to check every thread and every link to make sure the links are still valid. The best way to handle this is if you find a post that has invalid links, report it so staff can do something about it.

BetterRed · 01-27-2017, 10:18 AM

IIRC phpBB software had a link checking plugin/bot/whatever that logged dead links, of course someone had to check the logs to see if they mattered. Be surprised if VBully board didn't have something similar or better - my phpBB memories must be at least a decade old.

BR

DiapDealer · 01-27-2017, 12:41 PM

Even if we had access to logs of broken links, how would we go about correcting them? We'd have to contact the external sites' maintainers to find out if the original content could still be reached with new/different urls. Or scour their new site ourselves to see if we could figure it out.

Old, stickied, still-heavily-used posts like this one? Sure, we'll update some broken links if someone can provide the new ones. But old posts that have simply fallen by the wayside over time? That's probably not going to happen. Nothing lasts forever. *shrug*

DaleDe · 01-27-2017, 05:35 PM

As others have said, links outside of the MobileRead domain may go away, or be changed. This is out of our control. Things that need to stay around for a while are better placed in our wiki, and then make the data local to the wiki. In the case you mentioned you might have noticed that Calibre web site is mention a lot. We have a forum group devoted to Calibre and you might want to go there to find the up to date improved versions of those items. Otherwise you may want to go to archive.org web site that archives older pages from may different sites. The wayback machine may be able to find them.

In the wiki, an old archive status page may include wayback links to key pages, and it some case the links were turned into local pages. However, the forum has a vast set of pages and it is impossible to keep them all live for eternity. The Internet is constantly changing and pages come and go. The wiki has capture several tutorials for creating and converting eBooks.

Dale

pdurrant · 01-27-2017, 05:41 PM

I have updated those particular links.

DiapDealer · 01-27-2017, 08:32 PM

Thanks, Paul.

Ravensknight · 01-27-2017, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaot

I had already expected such a kind of response.

Glad I didn't disappoint then. Think how terrible you would have felt if your expectations hadn't been met. BTW, I'm expecting some Karma now

GeoffC · 01-29-2017, 10:13 AM

It's called Evolution ....

chaot · 02-01-2017, 02:54 PM

Also my thanks @pdurrant.

Nevertheless, I am a bit confused, because I expected some external websites. The now activated links leads to sites which were already there before, or?

pdurrant · 02-01-2017, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaot

Also my thanks @pdurrant.

Nevertheless, I am a bit confused, because I expected some external websites. The now activated links leads to sites which were already there before, or?

The calibre manual is now has its own sub-domain instead of being in a sib-directory of the main calibre domain. The links just needed a bit of tweaking.

01-27-2017, 08:01 AM	#1
chaot Head of lunatic asylum Posts: 349 Karma: 77620 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: UTC +1 Device: Tolino Vision 3HD	Links not accessible May be not the right place for my concern? (I didn't find a better one): A mobileread concerning issue. Anyway: Please make sure that links are accessible, especially links from a tutorial, even it's an older one. The links under User Manual Links for Conversion: all refer to 404 Not Found Last edited by chaot; 02-02-2017 at 07:09 AM. Reason: bagatelle

01-27-2017, 12:41 PM	#6
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,891 Karma: 207182180 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Even if we had access to logs of broken links, how would we go about correcting them? We'd have to contact the external sites' maintainers to find out if the original content could still be reached with new/different urls. Or scour their new site ourselves to see if we could figure it out. Old, stickied, still-heavily-used posts like this one? Sure, we'll update some broken links if someone can provide the new ones. But old posts that have simply fallen by the wayside over time? That's probably not going to happen. Nothing lasts forever. shrug Last edited by DiapDealer; 01-27-2017 at 12:52 PM.

02-01-2017, 02:54 PM	#12
chaot Head of lunatic asylum Posts: 349 Karma: 77620 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: UTC +1 Device: Tolino Vision 3HD	Also my thanks @pdurrant. Nevertheless, I am a bit confused, because I expected some external websites. The now activated links leads to sites which were already there before, or? Last edited by chaot; 02-01-2017 at 03:00 PM. Reason: change wording

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01-27-2017, 08:10 AM	#2
Ravensknight Serpent Rider Posts: 1,123 Karma: 10219804 Join Date: Jun 2009 Device: Sony 350; Nook STR; Oasis	Welcome to the internet...

01-27-2017, 08:40 AM	#3
chaot Head of lunatic asylum Posts: 349 Karma: 77620 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: UTC +1 Device: Tolino Vision 3HD	I had already expected such a kind of response. Is there no way to save such linked sites on a mobileread server? Only in special cases, of course. It seems quite normal that linked sites disappeare.

01-27-2017, 08:56 AM	#4
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The problem would be that the staff wuld have to check every thread and every link to make sure the links are still valid. The best way to handle this is if you find a post that has invalid links, report it so staff can do something about it.

01-27-2017, 10:18 AM	#5
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 22,018 Karma: 30277294 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	IIRC phpBB software had a link checking plugin/bot/whatever that logged dead links, of course someone had to check the logs to see if they mattered. Be surprised if VBully board didn't have something similar or better - my phpBB memories must be at least a decade old. BR

01-27-2017, 05:35 PM	#7
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	As others have said, links outside of the MobileRead domain may go away, or be changed. This is out of our control. Things that need to stay around for a while are better placed in our wiki, and then make the data local to the wiki. In the case you mentioned you might have noticed that Calibre web site is mention a lot. We have a forum group devoted to Calibre and you might want to go there to find the up to date improved versions of those items. Otherwise you may want to go to archive.org web site that archives older pages from may different sites. The wayback machine may be able to find them. In the wiki, an old archive status page may include wayback links to key pages, and it some case the links were turned into local pages. However, the forum has a vast set of pages and it is impossible to keep them all live for eternity. The Internet is constantly changing and pages come and go. The wiki has capture several tutorials for creating and converting eBooks. Dale

01-27-2017, 05:41 PM	#8
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 74,447 Karma: 318076944 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Oasis	I have updated those particular links.

01-27-2017, 08:32 PM	#9
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,891 Karma: 207182180 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Thanks, Paul.

01-29-2017, 10:13 AM	#11
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	It's called Evolution ....