Comments after one week with the Oasis - Page 2

Hollow Man · 01-05-2017, 03:50 PM

My wife has a Paperwhite 1st generation, and the font isn't darker than on my Oasis. She has a Kindle 2 as well, and that font is definitely grey.

It appears to be darker on my Kindle Keyboard, but I think it's because the KK font is thicker (i.e. it's a bold style font).

Honestly, I think it's the backlight that also helps trick me into thinking the text is lighter. If I turn off the backlight completely and closely inspect the font, it's almost as dark as the black frame around the screen.

And Caecilia is a bolder font than Bookerly, so that also makes a difference.

So yeah...combine Caecilia and no backlight, and you've got pretty dark text on the Oasis.

-HM

NoHolyGrail · 01-21-2017, 04:05 AM

I'm also considering getting an Oasis after many years of using the Kindle Keyboard. Would you consider posting images of the screens side-by-side to show the difference in contrast and darkness of fonts?

Hollow Man · 01-21-2017, 10:36 AM

Here are some images. The forum guidelines do not allow them to be more than 600x600, so the resolution isn't great.

I think the biggest improvement is the KFX format. Note, especially with Bookerly, how more words get inserted with each subsequent line, but it never feels cramped.

Also note how the Oasis light does affect the exposure, so keep that in mind when examining the photos.

Here the Oasis is set to Bookerly, light off:

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Here the Oasis is set to Bookerly, light at 12:

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Here the Oasis is set to Caecilia, light off:

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Here the Oasis is set to Caecilia, light at 12:

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-HM

NullNix · 01-21-2017, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollow Man

Here are some images. The forum guidelines do not allow them to be more than 600x600, so the resolution isn't great.

I think the biggest improvement is the KFX format. Note, especially with Bookerly, how more words get inserted with each subsequent line, but it never feels cramped.

If you're coming from something as far back as the KK, *everything* will be an improvement, except I suppose for the lack of keyboard. (Most instantly noticeable other than the weight and lighting is probably the radically improved screen resolution and contrast even with the light off: the KK used a 167PPI screen, while all Kindles currently on sale have a 300PPI one with radically whiter whites.)

Hollow Man · 01-21-2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NullNix

If you're coming from something as far back as the KK, *everything* will be an improvement, except I suppose for the lack of keyboard. (Most instantly noticeable other than the weight and lighting is probably the radically improved screen resolution and contrast even with the light off: the KK used a 167PPI screen, while all Kindles currently on sale have a 300PPI one with radically whiter whites.)

Yes, yes; the resolution improvement is a big thing, but sadly, not evident in these photos.

People shouldn't even hesitate with regards to upgrading their Kindle Keyboard to something more current, whether it be the PW3, Voyage, or the Oasis. I'm very satisfied.

-HM

JSWolf · 01-21-2017, 11:29 AM

In the photos, the text looks better on the KK.

Hollow Man · 01-21-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

In the photos, the text looks better on the KK.

It's not. It's because the bold font on the Kindle Keyboard makes it stand out more in a low resolution photo. Looking at the "18" and "57%" in each with the original photos makes it clear that the darkness is the same.

-HM

JSWolf · 01-21-2017, 11:35 AM

Would mind attaching some of the original photos? It doesn't matter that attached photos are larger than 800x600.

Hollow Man · 01-21-2017, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Would mind attaching some of the original photos? It doesn't matter that attached photos are larger than 800x600.

The posting guidelines are clear: "Images included in posts must be no more than 600x600 pixels."

And I suspect that no photo is going to change your mind regarding the image quality of the Voyage vs. the Oasis.

-HM

John F · 01-21-2017, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollow Man

The posting guidelines are clear: "Images included in posts must be no more than 600x600 pixels."

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-HM

The limitation is only for inline images. In advanced, you can attach larger images.

Hollow Man · 01-21-2017, 12:21 PM

Ok, here's higher resolution. Again: photos aren't everything. These are not the best focused photos, and remember the font on the Kindle Keyboard is bold, which gives it the illusion that it's darker. Note how the "57%" "and "13 mins left in chapter" on the Oasis, when comparing it with the text of the book right above it, appears darker as well (because it's bold).

My wife, who's a graphic designer and a bit of an expert in typography, states that the photos don't do justice to the fact that in person, the Kindle Keyboard text is clearly bold.

-HM

JSWolf · 01-21-2017, 12:29 PM

For some, the KK will be easier to read from because of the increased weight of the fonts. Also, some will find the Oasis to be too think (needs more weight). The problem is that there is no one way that works for everyone.

Hollow Man · 01-21-2017, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

For some, the KK will be easier to read from because of the increased weight of the fonts.

Agreed. It was an adjustment reading on the Oasis after years of reading with the heavier KK fonts.

-HM

JSWolf · 01-21-2017, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollow Man

Agreed. It was an adjustment reading on the Oasis after years of reading with the heavier KK fonts.

-HM

One feature Kobo has that would do well on a Kindle is the ability to adjust the weight. I've read of people finding some of the Kindle fonts to be a bit thin.

Pajamaman · 01-21-2017, 02:55 PM

I always read with bold Caecilia. I don't want a thinner/lighter font. Some people don't mind. I do.

It is possible to compile a kindle format ebook to contain the a bold font. Maybe try that and see how it looks. Somebody here has probably uploaded an ebook with the heavier font included. It would be interesting to see how you feel about the heavier font on the Oasis. I understand the new FW does include a bold font, but apparently Amazon chose an unpopular font to make bold.

01-21-2017, 10:36 AM	#18
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 418 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	Here are some images. The forum guidelines do not allow them to be more than 600x600, so the resolution isn't great. I think the biggest improvement is the KFX format. Note, especially with Bookerly, how more words get inserted with each subsequent line, but it never feels cramped. Also note how the Oasis light does affect the exposure, so keep that in mind when examining the photos. Here the Oasis is set to Bookerly, light off: Here the Oasis is set to Bookerly, light at 12: Here the Oasis is set to Caecilia, light off: Here the Oasis is set to Caecilia, light at 12: -HM Last edited by Hollow Man; 01-21-2017 at 11:12 AM.

01-21-2017, 12:21 PM	#26
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 418 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	Ok, here's higher resolution. Again: photos aren't everything. These are not the best focused photos, and remember the font on the Kindle Keyboard is bold, which gives it the illusion that it's darker. Note how the "57%" "and "13 mins left in chapter" on the Oasis, when comparing it with the text of the book right above it, appears darker as well (because it's bold). My wife, who's a graphic designer and a bit of an expert in typography, states that the photos don't do justice to the fact that in person, the Kindle Keyboard text is clearly bold. -HM Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Hollow Man; 01-21-2017 at 12:25 PM.

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01-05-2017, 03:50 PM	#16
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 418 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	My wife has a Paperwhite 1st generation, and the font isn't darker than on my Oasis. She has a Kindle 2 as well, and that font is definitely grey. It appears to be darker on my Kindle Keyboard, but I think it's because the KK font is thicker (i.e. it's a bold style font). Honestly, I think it's the backlight that also helps trick me into thinking the text is lighter. If I turn off the backlight completely and closely inspect the font, it's almost as dark as the black frame around the screen. And Caecilia is a bolder font than Bookerly, so that also makes a difference. So yeah...combine Caecilia and no backlight, and you've got pretty dark text on the Oasis. -HM

01-21-2017, 04:05 AM	#17
NoHolyGrail Connoisseur Posts: 82 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 3 (previously owned PRS-500, PRS-600)	I'm also considering getting an Oasis after many years of using the Kindle Keyboard. Would you consider posting images of the screens side-by-side to show the difference in contrast and darkness of fonts?

01-21-2017, 11:29 AM	#21
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,557 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	In the photos, the text looks better on the KK.

01-21-2017, 11:35 AM	#23
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,557 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Would mind attaching some of the original photos? It doesn't matter that attached photos are larger than 800x600.

01-21-2017, 12:29 PM	#27
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,557 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	For some, the KK will be easier to read from because of the increased weight of the fonts. Also, some will find the Oasis to be too think (needs more weight). The problem is that there is no one way that works for everyone.

01-21-2017, 02:55 PM	#30
Pajamaman Wizard Posts: 2,873 Karma: 10700629 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Canada Device: Onyx Nova	I always read with bold Caecilia. I don't want a thinner/lighter font. Some people don't mind. I do. It is possible to compile a kindle format ebook to contain the a bold font. Maybe try that and see how it looks. Somebody here has probably uploaded an ebook with the heavier font included. It would be interesting to see how you feel about the heavier font on the Oasis. I understand the new FW does include a bold font, but apparently Amazon chose an unpopular font to make bold.