doubled id - Page 2

DiapDealer · 08-11-2016, 11:24 AM

I'll have to wait until I get home to look at this, but to my knowledge, Sigil does not create ANY new ids when splitting files. Let alone duplicate ones. Links are updated (because of new file names), but anchors remain the same. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain.

EDIT: Doitsu's post came while I was drafting mine. We'll have to see what can be done. As always, I recommend using Book View for nothing other than inputing text and seeing what it looks like. But it definitely shouldn't be creating duplicate elements either.

We really need to find a way to disable a lot of these advanced features when in Book View, but I don't know how practical that is.

Doitsu · 08-11-2016, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'll have to wait until I get home to look at this, but to my knowledge, Sigil does not create ANY new ids when splitting files. Let alone duplicate ones. Links are updated (because of new file names), but anchors remain the same. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain.

You might have missed my post that I posted one minute before you. I was able to reproduce this for the Windows version.

DiapDealer · 08-11-2016, 02:28 PM

It's got nothing to do with the splitting, by the way. The elements with duplicate ids are there at the end of step 2.

It also doesn't matter if you place the cursor before or after the text and hit enter.

1) open a new empty epub
2) give the existing p element an id of some kind (any id)
3) switch to Book View and hit enter 3 times
4) switch back to Code View and look at the code

Book View has behaved this way at least as far back as 0.7.x (and probably since the beginning). Hitting enter when in Book View will create a new (the same) element which has the exact same attributes as the element your cursor was in when you hit enter.

KevinH · 08-11-2016, 02:49 PM

That is horrible ....

I'd say this is yet another nail in the coffin for BV. I will study the BookView code but this could be coming from hitting enter inside a QWebkit widget when live editing a dom document (which is what BV is actually doing).

KevinH

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It's got nothing to do with the splitting, by the way. The elements with duplicate ids are there at the end of step 2.

It also doesn't matter if you place the cursor before or after the text and hit enter.

1) open a new empty epub
2) give the existing p element an id of some kind (any id)
3) switch to Book View and hit enter 3 times
4) switch back to Code View and look at the code

Book View has behaved this way at least as far back as 0.7.x (and probably since the beginning). Hitting enter when in Book View will create a new (the same) element which has the exact same attributes as the element your cursor was in when you hit enter.

DiapDealer · 08-11-2016, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinH

I'd say this is yet another nail in the coffin for BV.

I'm convinced its dangers and pitfalls far outweigh its usefulness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinH

I will study the BookView code but this could be coming from hitting enter inside a QWebkit widget when live editing a dom document (which is what BV is actually doing).

Some method to zero the current attribute string would be nice. So that when you hit enter, you're creating new attribute-less element. I've no idea if that's even remotely feasible or not, though.

GrannyGrump · 08-24-2016, 06:02 AM

The only thing I use Book View for now is to copy selections of text to paste elsewhere WITHOUT THE MARKUP, such as to provide a sample for an excerpt in a post, or to search for certain glyphs.

I do really miss the ability from old versions to run a Search in Book View -- it was invaluable for searching for stray slashes, equal signs, and straight quotes left in OCR'd text. Because these glyphs are all integral to the markup tags, there is no convenient way to search for them in Code View.

It is possible to copy from the Preview Pane, but it is awfully finicky, and loses your selection if you breathe hard.

If you ever make the Preview Pane more amenable to selecting text, you could bury Book View in the deeps of the Marianas Trench and I would never miss it.

If there is any other way to copy the text without the markup, I am all ears and eyes.

BetterRed · 08-24-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GrannyGrump

If there is any other way to copy the text without the markup, I am all ears and eyes.

@GrannyGrump - I use a Windows gadget Clipboard Fusion, amongst other things it can scrub html markup from copied text

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It works everywhere - browsers, Sigil code view etc. Basic features are free, but not multiple device clipboard synching.

Available on Linux, its another Qt based program.

BR

KevinH · 08-24-2016, 10:54 AM

I can look into adding some way to copy in PreView/BookView and only get text and no markup at all. It should not be hard to add that capability as the javascript DOM has functions to get just text from a node. If need be I can just take what was copied and strip out the markup when the user chooses a paste-special type of thing.

I thought there was already something that asked if you want html or text but perhaps not.

KevinH

GrannyGrump · 08-24-2016, 11:22 AM

BetterRed -- I just downloaded ClipboardFusion, and going to give it a try. Thanks for the tip! the program specs sound great.

KevinH -- there very well may be something for obtaining html vs. text. I don't have Sigil on this computer to look. One of the things that hampers my Sigil usage is a self-inflicted wound --- I wrote a rather bulky AutoHotkey script that does a lot of donkey work using the right mouse button, but with the unfortunate side effect that sometimes the right-click in certain applications is non-responsive. I will try disabling the script and see where my explorations lead.
As I said, it is possible to select text in Preview Pane, but it is way too easy to lose the selection before you have time to hit CTRL C or click the "Copy" toolbar button, or whatever.

eschwartz · 08-24-2016, 01:11 PM

GrannyGrump -- I would like to note that calibre's Editor has a special search tool to search text while ignoring tags.

Search ==> Search ignoring HTML markup

...

Kevin, Diap, this would be nice to have in Sigil also.

KevinH · 08-24-2016, 02:11 PM

Actually text search only should be reasonably easy, it is just that search with replace is hard. I will look into search text only with no replace. You can of course do a search of text outside of tags using regular expressions right now in Sigil, but that will not find a phrase whose text is separated by tags.

KevinH

eschwartz · 08-24-2016, 02:49 PM

Yeah, calibre's "Search ignoring HTML markup" doesn't do replace either.

It is possible to do already, in certain circumstances, using very complicated regular expressions... but that really isn't very helpful.

BetterRed · 08-24-2016, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrannyGrump

BetterRed -- I just downloaded ClipboardFusion, and going to give it a try. Thanks for the tip! the program specs sound great.

There are also some handy macros, most are written in C#, not sure if that means you need Mono on Linux.

Aside: it was quite a while before I found out C# is pronounced 'cee-sharp' and not 'cee-crunch'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrannyGrump

As I said, it is possible to select text in Preview Pane, but it is way too easy to lose the selection before you have time to hit CTRL C or click the "Copy" toolbar button, or whatever.

I don't think I've ever succeeded in copying anything from Sigil's Preview. I sort of assumed one was supposed to use Book View

BR

theducks · 08-24-2016, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

There are also some handy macros, most are written in C#, not sure if that means you need Mono on Linux.

Aside: it was quite a while before I found out C# is pronounced 'cee-sharp' and not 'cee-crunch'.

I don't think I've ever succeeded in copying anything from Sigil's Preview. I sort of assumed one was supposed to use Book View

BR

Keystroke Copy worked on Windows. (Ctrl-Ins and Shft-Ins)
ONE TIME

Then I could not get it to work again

Toxaris · 08-25-2016, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

There are also some handy macros, most are written in C#, not sure if that means you need Mono on Linux.

Aside: it was quite a while before I found out C# is pronounced 'cee-sharp' and not 'cee-crunch'.

I don't think I've ever succeeded in copying anything from Sigil's Preview. I sort of assumed one was supposed to use Book View

BR

In the beginning I thought it was 'cee-hash'. Apparently it is not a # symbol, but a ♯. Spot the difference... The second is the sharp symbol. As this is not easy to type, most people (and MS themselves) usually use the # symbol.

08-11-2016, 11:24 AM	#16
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,491 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	I'll have to wait until I get home to look at this, but to my knowledge, Sigil does not create ANY new ids when splitting files. Let alone duplicate ones. Links are updated (because of new file names), but anchors remain the same. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain. EDIT: Doitsu's post came while I was drafting mine. We'll have to see what can be done. As always, I recommend using Book View for nothing other than inputing text and seeing what it looks like. But it definitely shouldn't be creating duplicate elements either. We really need to find a way to disable a lot of these advanced features when in Book View, but I don't know how practical that is. Last edited by DiapDealer; 08-11-2016 at 11:34 AM.

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08-11-2016, 02:28 PM	#18
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,491 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	It's got nothing to do with the splitting, by the way. The elements with duplicate ids are there at the end of step 2. It also doesn't matter if you place the cursor before or after the text and hit enter. 1) open a new empty epub 2) give the existing p element an id of some kind (any id) 3) switch to Book View and hit enter 3 times 4) switch back to Code View and look at the code Book View has behaved this way at least as far back as 0.7.x (and probably since the beginning). Hitting enter when in Book View will create a new (the same) element which has the exact same attributes as the element your cursor was in when you hit enter.

08-24-2016, 06:02 AM	#21
GrannyGrump Obsessively Dedicated... Posts: 3,211 Karma: 34984682 Join Date: May 2011 Location: JAPAN (US expatriate) Device: Sony PRS-T2, ADE on PC	The only thing I use Book View for now is to copy selections of text to paste elsewhere WITHOUT THE MARKUP, such as to provide a sample for an excerpt in a post, or to search for certain glyphs. I do really miss the ability from old versions to run a Search in Book View -- it was invaluable for searching for stray slashes, equal signs, and straight quotes left in OCR'd text. Because these glyphs are all integral to the markup tags, there is no convenient way to search for them in Code View. It is possible to copy from the Preview Pane, but it is awfully finicky, and loses your selection if you breathe hard. If you ever make the Preview Pane more amenable to selecting text, you could bury Book View in the deeps of the Marianas Trench and I would never miss it. If there is any other way to copy the text without the markup, I am all ears and eyes.

08-24-2016, 10:54 AM	#23
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,581 Karma: 5703586 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	I can look into adding some way to copy in PreView/BookView and only get text and no markup at all. It should not be hard to add that capability as the javascript DOM has functions to get just text from a node. If need be I can just take what was copied and strip out the markup when the user chooses a paste-special type of thing. I thought there was already something that asked if you want html or text but perhaps not. KevinH

08-24-2016, 11:22 AM	#24
GrannyGrump Obsessively Dedicated... Posts: 3,211 Karma: 34984682 Join Date: May 2011 Location: JAPAN (US expatriate) Device: Sony PRS-T2, ADE on PC	BetterRed -- I just downloaded ClipboardFusion, and going to give it a try. Thanks for the tip! the program specs sound great. KevinH -- there very well may be something for obtaining html vs. text. I don't have Sigil on this computer to look. One of the things that hampers my Sigil usage is a self-inflicted wound --- I wrote a rather bulky AutoHotkey script that does a lot of donkey work using the right mouse button, but with the unfortunate side effect that sometimes the right-click in certain applications is non-responsive. I will try disabling the script and see where my explorations lead. As I said, it is possible to select text in Preview Pane, but it is way too easy to lose the selection before you have time to hit CTRL C or click the "Copy" toolbar button, or whatever.

08-24-2016, 01:11 PM	#25
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	GrannyGrump -- I would like to note that calibre's Editor has a special search tool to search text while ignoring tags. Search ==> Search ignoring HTML markup ... Kevin, Diap, this would be nice to have in Sigil also.

08-24-2016, 02:11 PM	#26
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,581 Karma: 5703586 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	Actually text search only should be reasonably easy, it is just that search with replace is hard. I will look into search text only with no replace. You can of course do a search of text outside of tags using regular expressions right now in Sigil, but that will not find a phrase whose text is separated by tags. KevinH

08-24-2016, 02:49 PM	#27
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Yeah, calibre's "Search ignoring HTML markup" doesn't do replace either. It is possible to do already, in certain circumstances, using very complicated regular expressions... but that really isn't very helpful.