Goodreads ratings are less than useless - Page 2

kennyc · 08-01-2016, 12:46 PM

Yep. I appreciate all reviews. I particularly appreciate those that give me a feel for the book. I read them, read samples and choose to either purchase, borrow from library or forget about. It's simple. What I despise are whiners on the internet.

kennyc · 08-01-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by meeera

.... In addition, many many people on Goodreads read and review ARCs (I'm one of them), ....

Yep. My review of The Best Small Fictions 2016 is up on Goodreads now due to the publisher providing me with an ARC. The review will go on Amazon as well once the book appears.

Cinisajoy · 08-01-2016, 01:52 PM

Oh yes ARCs.
What Jon may not realize is those people may have read the book before it was released to the public. All the big publishers and some authors send out advance review copies to some readers to get feedback and reviews to be used in marketing at least a month to 6 weeks before the book is available to the public.

So those reviews may not be bogus.

Now I would suggest if one doesn't like how a site does the ratings and reviews, don't use that site.

theducks · 08-01-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Oh yes ARCs.
What Jon may not realize is those people may have read the book before it was released to the public. All the big publishers and some authors send out advance review copies to some readers to get feedback and reviews to be used in marketing at least a month to 6 weeks before the book is available to the public.

So those reviews may not be bogus.

Now I would suggest if one doesn't like how a site does the ratings and reviews, don't use that site.

But, Why nor mention in the review 'ARC reviewed'

orlok · 08-01-2016, 02:36 PM

I think anyone that takes website ratings for ANYTHING (not just books) as gospel needs a "check-up from the neck-up".

kennyc · 08-01-2016, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by orlok

I think anyone that takes website ratings for ANYTHING (not just books) as gospel needs a "check-up from the neck-up".

kennyc · 08-01-2016, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theducks

But, Why nor mention in the review 'ARC reviewed'

Which is exactly what I did in my review linked above.

Cinisajoy · 08-01-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theducks

But, Why nor mention in the review 'ARC reviewed'

Well according to the FTC, one is supposed to say they got a copy free for a review.
But many don't do that.
I always do.

Terisa de morgan · 08-01-2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Well according to the FTC, one is supposed to say they got a copy free for a review.
But many don't do that.
I always do.

Jon isn't talking about reviews but ratings. It's not the same. If you write a review for an ARC, you should include it in your review, but you can rate a book without writing reviews. And it is something goodreads allows and it has said in a lot of threads at the feedback forum that they are not going to change it, so we could move this post to the vent and rant thread

Cinisajoy · 08-01-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

Jon isn't talking about reviews but ratings. It's not the same. If you write a review for an ARC, you should include it in your review, but you can rate a book without writing reviews. And it is something goodreads allows and it has said in a lot of threads at the feedback forum that they are not going to change it, so we could move this post to the vent and rant thread

My post was in answer to ducks about reviews.
My post to Jon was a few up.

And no Goodreads shouldn't change.
It is a website. There is NO law that says one must use this website to find books. So if one doesn't like it, they should not visit it.
See now what the OP finds less than useless, other people may find his post and decide oh that is exactly what i am looking for. So in a sense his rant probably helped more than hurt Goodreads.

That is exactly why if I don't like the way ANY company or website does business, you will NOT find me ranting about them by name because I don't want to give them even 1 click.

Jessica Lares · 08-01-2016, 03:38 PM

Oh geez, that Goodreads page is terrible. Can us younger folk not turn everything we're obsessed with into memes these days? The culture today is so different to the early 2000's when all the dedicated websites and forums were around and we actually had real discussions about the series. All these "reviews" sound like the garbage I'd post in my LiveJournal when I was a teenager.

Only allowing ratings after the release wouldn't have made a big difference. It would probably be even worse.

kennyc · 08-01-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Lares

Oh geez, that Goodreads page is terrible. Can us younger folk not turn everything we're obsessed with into memes these days? The culture today is so different to the early 2000's when all the dedicated websites and forums were around and we actually had real discussions about the series. All these "reviews" sound like the garbage I'd post in my LiveJournal when I was a teenager.

Only allowing ratings after the release wouldn't have made a big difference. It would probably be even worse.

You should probably not use the site then as mentioned above.

Terisa de morgan · 08-01-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

My post was in answer to ducks about reviews.
My post to Jon was a few up.

Yes, you're right, sorry.

DiapDealer · 08-01-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Lares

Oh geez, that Goodreads page is terrible. Can us younger folk not turn everything we're obsessed with into memes these days? The culture today is so different to the early 2000's when all the dedicated websites and forums were around and we actually had real discussions about the series.

This old folk quite likes the Goodreads experience. Including the reviews, the ratings, and the "real" conversations with friends and acquaintances.

It is what you make it, though. If you have no real friends on Goodreads, for instance, quality conversation probably would be hard to come by.

Cinisajoy · 08-01-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

Yes, you're right, sorry.

No worries. It happens. Just don't ever misread 1 2/3 cup for 23 ounces. You will wind up with Sloppy Tomato instead of Sloppy Joes.
I did just that on Saturday.

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08-01-2016, 12:46 PM	#16
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,930 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6	Yep. I appreciate all reviews. I particularly appreciate those that give me a feel for the book. I read them, read samples and choose to either purchase, borrow from library or forget about. It's simple. What I despise are whiners on the internet.

08-01-2016, 01:52 PM	#18
Cinisajoy Just a Yellow Smiley. Posts: 19,161 Karma: 83862859 Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Texas Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy	Oh yes ARCs. What Jon may not realize is those people may have read the book before it was released to the public. All the big publishers and some authors send out advance review copies to some readers to get feedback and reviews to be used in marketing at least a month to 6 weeks before the book is available to the public. So those reviews may not be bogus. Now I would suggest if one doesn't like how a site does the ratings and reviews, don't use that site.

08-01-2016, 02:36 PM	#20
orlok Close to the Edit! Posts: 9,797 Karma: 267994408 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis, Amazon Fire 8", Kindle 6"	I think anyone that takes website ratings for ANYTHING (not just books) as gospel needs a "check-up from the neck-up".

08-01-2016, 03:38 PM	#26
Jessica Lares Wizard Posts: 2,240 Karma: 5759170 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Near Dallas, Texas, USA Device: iPad Mini, iPod Touch (5th gen)	Oh geez, that Goodreads page is terrible. Can us younger folk not turn everything we're obsessed with into memes these days? The culture today is so different to the early 2000's when all the dedicated websites and forums were around and we actually had real discussions about the series. All these "reviews" sound like the garbage I'd post in my LiveJournal when I was a teenager. Only allowing ratings after the release wouldn't have made a big difference. It would probably be even worse.