Marvin 3.0 is out - Page 8

democrite · 06-25-2016, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kguil

@YRead Currently, Marvin is very strict about the fact that they have to be identically the same book.… I'll look into this to see if I can make the matching procedure a bit less strict without causing other problems.

Understand it could be a difficult problem. Likely you know already. There are a few UUIDs (if really unique Ids) to choose from in an ePub: in toc.ncx, the Adept.expected.resource in html headers for commercial works with removed DRM, or some dc:identifier in the OPF. Not exactly sure how unique some of them are, but perhaps falling back to the old method if a UUID isn't found. I'd guess you might have already been planning something like that. One possible option would be somewhere being able to match up a book with a set annotations. I am a bit hesitant to suggest new features that might not be used by many, in the eventually there are just too many options, but that might be a way.

All this you likely know. Just wanted to say, as I rely more on M3, hope the new M3 annotation format is robust enough so that for future upgrades, they are fully preserved. Possibly they are already.

kguil · 06-25-2016, 06:15 PM

@demo Several books in my test set (you'd be surprised what's out there in the wild) don't have UUIDs so it's not a reliable method. Plus there are cases where several "versions" of the same book (e.g. Drafts of works in progress) have the same UUID but vastly different content. It's these edge cases that make it hard. I need to think more about this.

Yes, I believe that M3's annotations are way more robust.

democrite · 06-25-2016, 06:36 PM

iBooks adds their own to make it simple but that might not be great unless there was syncing and perhaps some future OS X companion or OPDS in Marvin to redownload to a desktop. An order of what seems reliable like the Adept UUID first is an option, and then maybe some id based on file names, paragraph count in a few files, etc. I mostly have commercial, or some from here or made myself so that's what I mostly see. In cases of updates, as long as file order is retained, I can update an ePub in iBooks and keep highlights. Indeed it is hard; I'll continue to think about it.

dingsken · 06-26-2016, 08:24 AM

@kguil. Thx for M3 - I liked M2 and M3 is even improving the reading experience.

M2 has an issue with the epub covers on iPad Mini 1; and this issue is still present in M3: the covers are splitted over two pages, instead of being reduced to fit on one page.
The only solution I found is modifying the height/width to approx. 70% in the cover xhtml.
Would it be possibile to find an "in app" solution for the next update?

Thx again for this great e-reader app; I'm still in the process of discovering all new features.

democrite · 06-26-2016, 08:43 AM

The solution might be for M3 to use the same container view that iOS added a while back and is used in iBooks. If a file or chapter ends somewhere in the left column, the next begins in the right. That could also have the benefit of reducing the delay when going to different chapters. I imagine that could be a fair amount of work.

sglinert · 06-26-2016, 08:52 AM

How do I get Maps to appear directly in the Menu items? Currently, it only appears under Custom commands. I read a lot of travel books, and the extra clicking to get to Maps sent me right back to Marvin 2.

ShellShock · 06-27-2016, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dingsken

M2 has an issue with the epub covers on iPad Mini 1; and this issue is still present in M3: the covers are splitted over two pages, instead of being reduced to fit on one page.

This was also a problem for M2 on the IPad mini 2, but M3 has fixed it. So looks like it is specific to mini 1?

Faterson · 06-27-2016, 04:27 PM

Nope, I can also see some book covers spanning 2 screens on the 13-inch iPad Pro. A cosmetic issue, to me.

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Originally Posted by sglinert

How do I get Maps to appear directly in the Menu items? Currently, it only appears under Custom commands.

That's another omission in Marvin 3, but it's already been reported to Kris and he has promised to fix this. (That is, it will again be possible to access 3 or 4 top favourite custom commands directly via in-book buttons.)

tomsem · 06-27-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kguil

@tomsem I've thought about MDI a lot when designing M3. Many devices that Marvin is expected to run on don't have enough resources (memory mostly) to run MDI. There are also some reading modes that are 'logically' inconsistent when running together e.g. vertical auto scroll one book and text to speech on the other that make the proposition rather complex. This complexity could also translate into a more cluttered UI for the majority of people who wouldn't be interested in the feature.

One example I forgot about is Goodreader. It uses tabbed views (only one at a time), but you can switch documents quickly, and there's a way to Duplicate a tab so you can have multiple views of the same document. 'File Tabs enabled' is a preference, enabled by default I think (at least on iPad), the only reason they suggest one might want to turn it off would be to conserve 'precious screen space' (when reading options, including tabs, are displaying). A single-view-at-a-time implementation like this would not introduce complexity about scrolling or TTS, but would confer quick-switch ability.

If tiled windows is too resource intensive it could perhaps be restricted to newer devices with more RAM to work with. But then the other UX issues you mention would need to be addressed.

democrite · 06-27-2016, 05:34 PM

I agree MDI or tabs would use useful, and perhaps limited to newer devices in some cases, particularly if and when PDF support gets added. As for operations running in multiple views, like auto scroll or text to speech, limiting them to the current view looks to be a good choice.

Edit: l'll see how performance is for a heavily marked up 2,000 page work. If there was tabs or some MDI, maybe only one ePub plus other types like cbz and PDF if there will be tabs. Who knows. You're aware of memory usage so already know what's possible.

Faterson · 06-27-2016, 06:06 PM

MDI is also available in the Olive Bible Study app, and has been as far back as I can remember, even on old iPads. You can open two Bibles at once (such as Bibles in two languages, or an old and a contemporary translation) and adjust the height of the window for each of the two versions. Yes, it would be more convenient to have this inside one Marvin instance, but I'm also fine with the current solution of 2 Marvin instances.

(But, it might currently be inconvenient for certain annotation purposes – if you annotate a book in both Marvin instances, there should be a way to automatically collate and consolidate annotations from both Marvin instances, so that all annotations then appear in that book in both Marvin instances. In other words, not just device-to-device automatic syncing of annotations is required, but even Marvin-to-Marvin syncing of annotations on a single device...)

kguil · 06-28-2016, 06:05 AM

@dingsken I'm working on improving the covers issue.

@sglinert I'm preparing update where you'll be able to inline custom commands into the main popup menu. You should have it in a fortnight.

Grigori · 06-28-2016, 07:47 AM

I've just bought Marvin 3 and have imported my library. I've read through the thread and have made most of the changes to the new version re font size and dimming etc. (I have visual problems so I change a lot of settings). It's great so far.

The one thing I can't seem to replicate is that when I opened old marvin when part way through a book, it didn't go straight to my library but showed me the picture cover of my book and title/author in a big red box at the bottom (and there were three dots at the edge of the red block that showed how far I was through the book that you could toggle on and off). I really liked that . Is that still usable in Marvin 3? I've no idea what the setting is called, so I don't know where in the menu to look for it. Many thanks.

kguil · 06-28-2016, 08:18 AM

@Grigori It wasn't a setting. Marvin Classic had a different home screen.

sglinert · 06-28-2016, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kguil

@dingsken I'm working on improving the covers issue.

@sglinert I'm preparing update where you'll be able to inline custom commands into the main popup menu. You should have it in a fortnight.

Thank you!

06-25-2016, 06:36 PM	#108
democrite Evangelist Posts: 441 Karma: 77256 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: none	iBooks adds their own to make it simple but that might not be great unless there was syncing and perhaps some future OS X companion or OPDS in Marvin to redownload to a desktop. An order of what seems reliable like the Adept UUID first is an option, and then maybe some id based on file names, paragraph count in a few files, etc. I mostly have commercial, or some from here or made myself so that's what I mostly see. In cases of updates, as long as file order is retained, I can update an ePub in iBooks and keep highlights. Indeed it is hard; I'll continue to think about it. Last edited by democrite; 06-25-2016 at 06:42 PM.

06-26-2016, 08:43 AM	#110
democrite Evangelist Posts: 441 Karma: 77256 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: none	The solution might be for M3 to use the same container view that iOS added a while back and is used in iBooks. If a file or chapter ends somewhere in the left column, the next begins in the right. That could also have the benefit of reducing the delay when going to different chapters. I imagine that could be a fair amount of work. Last edited by democrite; 06-26-2016 at 09:19 AM.

06-26-2016, 08:52 AM	#111
sglinert Enthusiast Posts: 49 Karma: 1024532 Join Date: May 2008 Device: iPad Air, iPod Touch 5, Illudium Q-42 Explosive Space Modulator	How do I get Maps to appear directly in the Menu items? Currently, it only appears under Custom commands. I read a lot of travel books, and the extra clicking to get to Maps sent me right back to Marvin 2. Last edited by sglinert; 06-26-2016 at 09:09 AM.

06-27-2016, 05:34 PM	#115
democrite Evangelist Posts: 441 Karma: 77256 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: none	I agree MDI or tabs would use useful, and perhaps limited to newer devices in some cases, particularly if and when PDF support gets added. As for operations running in multiple views, like auto scroll or text to speech, limiting them to the current view looks to be a good choice. Edit: l'll see how performance is for a heavily marked up 2,000 page work. If there was tabs or some MDI, maybe only one ePub plus other types like cbz and PDF if there will be tabs. Who knows. You're aware of memory usage so already know what's possible. Last edited by democrite; 06-27-2016 at 10:12 PM.

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06-25-2016, 06:15 PM	#107
kguil Addict Posts: 1,215 Karma: 1836966 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Malta, Europe Device: Marvin for iOS	@demo Several books in my test set (you'd be surprised what's out there in the wild) don't have UUIDs so it's not a reliable method. Plus there are cases where several "versions" of the same book (e.g. Drafts of works in progress) have the same UUID but vastly different content. It's these edge cases that make it hard. I need to think more about this. Yes, I believe that M3's annotations are way more robust.

06-26-2016, 08:24 AM	#109
dingsken Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: iPad mini	@kguil. Thx for M3 - I liked M2 and M3 is even improving the reading experience. M2 has an issue with the epub covers on iPad Mini 1; and this issue is still present in M3: the covers are splitted over two pages, instead of being reduced to fit on one page. The only solution I found is modifying the height/width to approx. 70% in the cover xhtml. Would it be possibile to find an "in app" solution for the next update? Thx again for this great e-reader app; I'm still in the process of discovering all new features.

06-27-2016, 06:06 PM	#116
Faterson pokrývač škridiel Posts: 1,525 Karma: 3300000 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bratislava, Slovakia Device: 3iPad, SamsungNote & Tabs, 2OnyxBoox, Huawei 8″, PocketBook	MDI is also available in the Olive Bible Study app, and has been as far back as I can remember, even on old iPads. You can open two Bibles at once (such as Bibles in two languages, or an old and a contemporary translation) and adjust the height of the window for each of the two versions. Yes, it would be more convenient to have this inside one Marvin instance, but I'm also fine with the current solution of 2 Marvin instances. (But, it might currently be inconvenient for certain annotation purposes – if you annotate a book in both Marvin instances, there should be a way to automatically collate and consolidate annotations from both Marvin instances, so that all annotations then appear in that book in both Marvin instances. In other words, not just device-to-device automatic syncing of annotations is required, but even Marvin-to-Marvin syncing of annotations on a single device...)

06-28-2016, 06:05 AM	#117
kguil Addict Posts: 1,215 Karma: 1836966 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Malta, Europe Device: Marvin for iOS	@dingsken I'm working on improving the covers issue. @sglinert I'm preparing update where you'll be able to inline custom commands into the main popup menu. You should have it in a fortnight.

06-28-2016, 07:47 AM	#118
Grigori Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2016 Device: Iphone	I've just bought Marvin 3 and have imported my library. I've read through the thread and have made most of the changes to the new version re font size and dimming etc. (I have visual problems so I change a lot of settings). It's great so far. The one thing I can't seem to replicate is that when I opened old marvin when part way through a book, it didn't go straight to my library but showed me the picture cover of my book and title/author in a big red box at the bottom (and there were three dots at the edge of the red block that showed how far I was through the book that you could toggle on and off). I really liked that . Is that still usable in Marvin 3? I've no idea what the setting is called, so I don't know where in the menu to look for it. Many thanks.

06-28-2016, 08:18 AM	#119
kguil Addict Posts: 1,215 Karma: 1836966 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Malta, Europe Device: Marvin for iOS	@Grigori It wasn't a setting. Marvin Classic had a different home screen.