Oasis Separate Charging Cover

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by John F

Again, could you provide a link please? From what I read, 50% looks like a good charge interval. Some people are reporting "short" reading times before needing to recharge, say 5 hours. So You should only read for 2.5 hours, stop reading, and wait for it to charge; rinse, wash, repeat? No thank you. Or do you think they should only go down by 10% and limit there reading sessions to 30 mins between charges?

Why do you assume that the Oasis is unusable while it's in its case? You can read perfectly well while it's in there: you're not forced to abandon it while it charges. If e.g. you're eating or something and want to put it down on a surface, it's better in the cover than out because the bottom is flat. (Though an origami cover that fits *outside* the leather cover, so we could stand it up in this situation, would be even better.)

[Atunah]

Each 10 minutes in the cover gives you an hour of reading time. So they told some of the reviewers and it seems to match my use.

Now if you have reading sessions of 7 hours with no breaks, no eating, no bathroom, never putting down the reader for even a minute, it might be an issue. But I read for hours each day, but still have to do this and that in between, even if its just 5 minutes. I put it in the cover for that and then continue reading. I never run out, no matter how long I read.
Or one could then stick it in the cover and read with it on. I don't like reading with the cover on so I don't.

[John F]

Originally Posted by NullNix

Why do you assume that the Oasis is unusable while it's in its case? You can read perfectly well while it's in there: you're not forced to abandon it while it charges. If e.g. you're eating or something and want to put it down on a surface, it's better in the cover than out because the bottom is flat. (Though an origami cover that fits *outside* the leather cover, so we could stand it up in this situation, would be even better.)

Some peolple like reading with a cover, some don't.

Personally, if I'm reading/eating, I don't want to go find the cover, or plug it into a charger; I just want to eat/read.

Some people will always keep it in a cover. Some people won't mind retraining themselves to always put it in/take it out of a cover/charger. Some people like going for longer periods of time not worrying about.

I'm currently not using a cover, so my posts probably have that bias.

[John F]

Originally Posted by Atunah

Each 10 minutes in the cover gives you an hour of reading time. So they told some of the reviewers and it seems to match my use.

Now if you have reading sessions of 7 hours with no breaks, no eating, no bathroom, never putting down the reader for even a minute, it might be an issue. But I read for hours each day, but still have to do this and that in between, even if its just 5 minutes. I put it in the cover for that and then continue reading. I never run out, no matter how long I read.
Or one could then stick it in the cover and read with it on. I don't like reading with the cover on so I don't.

7 hours sounds long, but than it's down to 6, than 5, than 4, ...

As capacity decreases, does a 10 minute charge still give you an hour of reading time?

[badgoodDeb]

But the Oasis is a different device, and needs a different mentality. That's why it is sold as a set, and not purchasable separately. We are meant to perhaps read without the cover (if we wish), but always keep it beside us, and set it down INTO the cover, so that it can recharge any time we set it down. The re-attachment is that easy, so that it can be used this way. We shouldn't have to "go looking for the cover"; it should be how we carry the Oasis around. True, older covers are a PAIN to insert and remove from, but the Oasis cover is made to be much easier.* If this lifestyle just isn't possible for us, then perhaps an Oasis isn't right for us? They've designed a whole different sort of thing here; maybe it's not what you want.

*Theoretically. I don't have one.

[odamizu]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

But the Oasis is a different device, and needs a different mentality. That's why it is sold as a set, and not purchasable separately. We are meant to perhaps read without the cover (if we wish), but always keep it beside us, and set it down INTO the cover, so that it can recharge any time we set it down. The re-attachment is that easy, so that it can be used this way. We shouldn't have to "go looking for the cover"; it should be how we carry the Oasis around. True, older covers are a PAIN to insert and remove from, but the Oasis cover is made to be much easier.* If this lifestyle just isn't possible for us, then perhaps an Oasis isn't right for us? They've designed a whole different sort of thing here; maybe it's not what you want.

*Theoretically. I don't have one.

Yes, yes, yes!

I have never used a cover while reading on any device, but I like to protect my readers when they're not in use so have always stored them in a sleeve. With the Oasis, the cover is as easy to remove as slipping my Voyage out of its sleeve. When I'm done reading, the Oasis goes right back into its cover, just as my Voyage goes back into its sleeve.

The Oasis is not meant for people who want a device that can go cover-less all the time. For those people, Amazon made the basic Kindle, Paperwhite and Voyage.

[Journier]

I would like a separate cover, as I had to purchase one with the black cover. An Oasis with the Merlot cover would have made it 2 months before shipment.

[webjunk]

Originally Posted by John F

I don't think you are correct, could you provide a link/reference please? From the one I provided (battery U) it looks to me like the decrease starts with the first charge cycle, and is relatively linear.


Again, could you provide a link please? From what I read, 50% looks like a good charge interval. Some people are reporting "short" reading times before needing to recharge, say 5 hours. So You should only read for 2.5 hours, stop reading, and wait for it to charge; rinse, wash, repeat? No thank you. Or do you think they should only go down by 10% and limit there reading sessions to 30 mins between charges?

We go back again to relevance. The decrease is irrelevant for battery life - we are talking battery life, not how many hours reading you get at certain points. The biggest factor in reading time is how you read. Faster, slower than average, font size, look ups...

You need to back to your source material and read it again and apply relevance to yourself and to your device.

[John F]

Originally Posted by webjunk

We go back again to relevance. The decrease is irrelevant for battery life - we are talking battery life, not how many hours reading you get at certain points. The biggest factor in reading time is how you read. Faster, slower than average, font size, look ups...

Excellent point, I agree. And I thought we were discussing reading time as an implied way of determine battery discharge. I don't think people normally talk about "I read .2 cycles per day", they will say something like "I read 6 hours a day, and I'm down to 20% battery left, and I do a full recharge" (which would be .8 of a cycle a day).

... You need to back to your source material and read it again and apply relevance to yourself and to your device.

I did that, I provided the link so people could check my assumptions. All you did was say things like "anyone can do the math" and "500 days equals 500 charges" and "the battery doesn't start to degrade until after 500 charges". Not very helpful (or accurate) in my opinion.

So as an example. One starts reading on day 1, on day one they read for 6 hours, and they have 20% battery life left. So...

for this mythical reader, the initial "capacity" of the battery is 7.5 hours of reading time.

After one year, they are down to 6.3 hours of capacity, and gone through 318 cycles - not looking to good, can't go through one day of reading without recharging (if one must stick to your rule of not abusing the battery)
After 2 years, they are down to 4.8 hours of reading capacity, and gone through 713 cycles - That is a lot of cycles
After three years, capacity is down to 2.6 hours, and you've gone through 1294 cycles

Now let say same someone increases their reading time to 8 hours a day...

After one year, they are down to 5.9 hours of capacity (per cycle), and gone through 449 cycles
After two years, they are down to 3.5 hours of capacity and gone through 1058 cycles (what is the expected number of cycles for the life of the battery)
After 2.5 years you are down to 1.24 hours of capacity and gone through 1650 cycles


YRTMV (Your reading times may vary).

[badgoodDeb]

Most of us who LIKE electronic gadgets can't go more then two years without buying another one. Just saying.....

[John F]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Most of us who LIKE electronic gadgets can't go more then two years without buying another one. Just saying.....

Sure. . I'm averaging about 1 ereader a year.

[Barbara1955]

Has anyone Killed Both the Oasis & its cover & had to charge them from Dead to Full? How long did it take?

[Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Katie1

Has anyone Killed Both the Oasis & its cover & had to charge them from Dead to Full? How long did it take?

I did. It took about 2.5 hours.

FYI: If you just charged the Oasis without the cover, it took about 1.5 hours.

[Barbara1955]

IF you don't charge the cover might as well toss it in a drawer.

[webjunk]

Originally Posted by John F

Excellent point, I agree. And I thought we were discussing reading time as an implied way of determine battery discharge. I don't think people normally talk about "I read .2 cycles per day", they will say something like "I read 6 hours a day, and I'm down to 20% battery left, and I do a full recharge" (which would be .8 of a cycle a day).


I did that, I provided the link so people could check my assumptions. All you did was say things like "anyone can do the math" and "500 days equals 500 charges" and "the battery doesn't start to degrade until after 500 charges". Not very helpful (or accurate) in my opinion.

So as an example. One starts reading on day 1, on day one they read for 6 hours, and they have 20% battery life left. So...

for this mythical reader, the initial "capacity" of the battery is 7.5 hours of reading time.

After one year, they are down to 6.3 hours of capacity, and gone through 318 cycles - not looking to good, can't go through one day of reading without recharging (if one must stick to your rule of not abusing the battery)
After 2 years, they are down to 4.8 hours of reading capacity, and gone through 713 cycles - That is a lot of cycles
After three years, capacity is down to 2.6 hours, and you've gone through 1294 cycles

Now let say same someone increases their reading time to 8 hours a day...

After one year, they are down to 5.9 hours of capacity (per cycle), and gone through 449 cycles
After two years, they are down to 3.5 hours of capacity and gone through 1058 cycles (what is the expected number of cycles for the life of the battery)
After 2.5 years you are down to 1.24 hours of capacity and gone through 1650 cycles


YRTMV (Your reading times may vary).

Nope. As far as I was concerened it has always been about battery life and my contention has always been, simply, who cares! It's long enough. Only very heavy users MAY be affected, but then they would be affected whatever device they used. In terms of battery life the interim degradation, which is a pull a number out of the air (because relevancy rules), is irrelevant in real world usage. You can calaculate hypothetical values till you turn blue - doing a calculation that someone will read 7 hours a day in one sitting at the average rate at the average font size (figures that are not known) for 365 days is a pointless, meaningless and provides no useful information other than an expected overall absolute minimum battery life.

Given that the biggest factor affecting reading times is how you read, anything else is irrelevant. If reading time vs battery longevity is a particular worrying problem for anyone then they need to educate themselves as to how batteries work and what is the best way of using them.