Oasis Separate Charging Cover - Page 2

Barbara1955 · 05-20-2016, 11:26 PM

My PW3 with the light on 18 last me 24 hours of continues reading.

disconnected · 05-20-2016, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by howyoudoin

Now we know why its called the oasis. You can venture out on a reading expedition in the desert, but soon enough you'll be crawling back for more juice.

That image is going to stay with me now.

Maybe Kindle batteries have always been variable, even within the same model, just like the frontlit screens are. I never really tested any of mine because they always seemed perfectly fine for my purposes.

Now with the new split battery concept the onboard Oasis battery is limited enough that I've been paying attention to it. I'm going to stop that pretty soon so I don't drive myself or the Oasis crazy.

Wearever · 05-21-2016, 08:55 AM

I had the Paperwhite 1, and now the pw3. The great thing about the Paperwhite is that it has been improved upon so much, screen, storage. and no increase in price. This gives me hope for the Oasis, I'm hoping that they will improve as much as they did for Paperwhites. This is the first Oasis, no doubt it won't be the last. Although it will take a while to get there.

HarryT · 05-21-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wearever

This is the first Oasis, no doubt it won't be the last.

I would respectfully suggest that there is considerable doubt! The Paperwhite is the exception in having gone through multiple iterations. Most Kindle models have had only one version, and have then been replaced. Consider the Voyage, for example.

Dr. Drib · 05-21-2016, 10:59 AM

Although the Voyage has yet to be discontinued (this is yet to be seen), it has not gone through a second 'iteration' - and may never do so.

Katsunami · 05-21-2016, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Why do you regard it as crippled? The Oasis has the longest battery life of any frontlit Kindle.

It's crippled because you HAVE to use the cover Amazon provides (at least at this point), even if you would like something different such as a sleeve, or an Oberon cover. If you don't, your battery life will be non-existent.

Even if someone else comes out with a different cover that can also hold a battery, you have to buy the original cover along with the reader, and then not use it. That makes for a hugely expensive reader that adds very few things if anything compared to a Voyage, or even a KPW3.

Wearever · 05-21-2016, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I would respectfully suggest that there is considerable doubt! The Paperwhite is the exception in having gone through multiple iterations. Most Kindle models have had only one version, and have then been replaced. Consider the Voyage, for example.

That's true Harry T. I guess we have to wait and see. The separate batteries on the Oasis is different from any other Kindle so far.

Barbara1955 · 05-21-2016, 12:26 PM

Sad is IF the Oasis crashes you not just lose the device you lose the Cover..... IF the cover crashes you loose the battery. Either way its a no win situation.

Atunah · 05-21-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsunami

It's crippled because you HAVE to use the cover Amazon provides (at least at this point), even if you would like something different such as a sleeve, or an Oberon cover. If you don't, your battery life will be non-existent.

Even if someone else comes out with a different cover that can also hold a battery, you have to buy the original cover along with the reader, and then not use it. That makes for a hugely expensive reader that adds very few things if anything compared to a Voyage, or even a KPW3.

Its not crippled. Its really simple, if you don't want a dual purpose device, the Oasis is not for you. Its not meant to be used alone, its meant to be used in tandem with the cover. If you want a kindle that you can always use with a sleeve then get a Voyage, PW or a basic. Its not how the Oasis is designed. Its designed differently. For those of us that find that design useful. Its not Voyage, its not a Paperwhite. It is not meant to be used with just one of the dual devices.

Its not really difficult. It is a combo, period. Used together to get the best of both, lightness, ergonomics and length of battery. I am getting exactly that. The device part of the combo has not run out of batter for me. And I read hours a day. Why would one pay $300 for something they want to only use one part of the design. Doesn't make sense. You'd get a PW or Voyage if that is how you want to use it, not a Oasis.

I get that some folks don't like the design, its not for everyone. But that is why there is a lineup of kindles. You pick the one that fits best with what you desire from a reader.

I charge my Oasis combo every 5 days right now, my Voyage I had to charge every 3-4 days on average.

barryem · 05-21-2016, 01:32 PM

I see another potential problem with the Oasis and cover battery. The built-in battery of the Oasis is, as I recall, 250 mAh compared to 1420 mAh for the Paperwhite. A lithium ion battery typically will last through between 500 and 1000 charges.

The problem that concerns me is that reading the Oasis without it's cover will use up that little battery almost 6 times faster than reading on a Paperwhite, leaving a very expensive paperweight.

If the cover is on while reading there might be a better situation if the device runs off the cover battery and not the internal battery. I think I read somewhere that that's the way it works but I don't recall where I read it and I can't find it again so I'm just not sure.

Anyway if that is the way it works, if reading it in the cover uses only the cover's battery as long as the internal battery is charged, that means it will probably be a long lived device as long as you leave the cover on.

On the other hand if it always runs off the internal battery and the cover just keeps that charged, the Oasis is doomed to an early death. Just as it would be if you read it out of the cover all the time.

I have no way of knowing for sure which of these is the true situation and I find it difficult to believe that Amazon didn't think of this, but I guess that's possible. They don't miss much but things happen.

Anyway, I'm not buying an Oasis until I know more about this and if I already had one I'd keep it in the cover to try to protect it as much as possible. This is a scary situation.

I did send some feedback to Amazon and hopefully they'll let me or everyone know something about this. It looks to me like a pretty nice device but right now I'm afraid of it and I think it's something Amazon needs to explain.

Barry

Dr. Drib · 05-21-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Atunah

Its not crippled. Its really simple, if you don't want a dual purpose device, the Oasis is not for you. Its not meant to be used alone, its meant to be used in tandem with the cover. If you want a kindle that you can always use with a sleeve then get a Voyage, PW or a basic. Its not how the Oasis is designed. Its designed differently. For those of us that find that design useful. Its not Voyage, its not a Paperwhite. It is not meant to be used with just one of the dual devices.

Its not really difficult. It is a combo, period. Used together to get the best of both, lightness, ergonomics and length of battery. I am getting exactly that. The device part of the combo has not run out of batter for me. And I read hours a day. Why would one pay $300 for something they want to only use one part of the design. Doesn't make sense. You'd get a PW or Voyage if that is how you want to use it, not a Oasis.

I get that some folks don't like the design, its not for everyone. But that is why there is a lineup of kindles. You pick the one that fits best with what you desire from a reader.

I charge my Oasis combo every 5 days right now, my Voyage I had to charge every 3-4 days on average.

Although I don't own one (yet), I fully understand the design.

I can't help but laugh at those who think it is 'crippled'. I would humbly suggest that it is designed exactly the way Amazon wanted it to be designed - a fully functional and mature ebook reader.

Katsunami · 05-21-2016, 01:47 PM

If the reader had been designed for use in the cover all of the time, it wouldn't have had its own battery. It could have been built as a reader/cover in such a way that the cover wouldn't even be detachable.

Kolja · 05-21-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

Although I don't own one (yet), I fully understand the design.

I can't help but laugh at those who think it is 'crippled'. I would humbly suggest that it is designed exactly the way Amazon wanted it to be designed - a fully functional and mature ebook reader.

I can't help but laugh at referring to it as an expensive paperweight. At 4.6 oz I wouldn't count on it to hold down much.

Barbara1955 · 05-21-2016, 03:22 PM

I think the fact that the Cover Cant be Charge without being on the reader is going to prove the be a fatal flaw in the long run. Amazon advertise it to be Read without the cover. Yet the battery life is Mainly in the cover ... How many charges can the cover give the device Before they are both dead? How long does it take to Charge them? As Berryman pointed out How long before they both wont charge at all? Then what another $$300 to replace it? I betting Amazon not going to replace them. Look how their Return & replacement policies have changed in the past couple of years. Use to be IF the Device failed They would replace it with New. Now you are lucky if you get a Use Replacement.

howyoudoin · 05-21-2016, 03:27 PM

I always have a laugh at those who have a laugh at others and then go on to make a 'humble' sugestion. That's false humility and not a desirable virtue.

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05-20-2016, 11:26 PM	#16
Barbara1955 Non-Techy Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders	My PW3 with the light on 18 last me 24 hours of continues reading.

05-21-2016, 08:55 AM	#18
Wearever Wizard Posts: 1,063 Karma: 10944084 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New England Device: Oasis 2,Voyage, Kindlle hdx 8.9, Ipad mini 4. Air 2	I had the Paperwhite 1, and now the pw3. The great thing about the Paperwhite is that it has been improved upon so much, screen, storage. and no increase in price. This gives me hope for the Oasis, I'm hoping that they will improve as much as they did for Paperwhites. This is the first Oasis, no doubt it won't be the last. Although it will take a while to get there.

05-21-2016, 10:59 AM	#20
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 45,349 Karma: 59447733 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Peru Device: KINDLE: Oasis 3, Scribe (1st), Matcha; KOBO: Libra 2, Libra Colour	Although the Voyage has yet to be discontinued (this is yet to be seen), it has not gone through a second 'iteration' - and may never do so.

05-21-2016, 12:26 PM	#23
Barbara1955 Non-Techy Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders	Sad is IF the Oasis crashes you not just lose the device you lose the Cover..... IF the cover crashes you loose the battery. Either way its a no win situation.

05-21-2016, 01:32 PM	#25
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	I see another potential problem with the Oasis and cover battery. The built-in battery of the Oasis is, as I recall, 250 mAh compared to 1420 mAh for the Paperwhite. A lithium ion battery typically will last through between 500 and 1000 charges. The problem that concerns me is that reading the Oasis without it's cover will use up that little battery almost 6 times faster than reading on a Paperwhite, leaving a very expensive paperweight. If the cover is on while reading there might be a better situation if the device runs off the cover battery and not the internal battery. I think I read somewhere that that's the way it works but I don't recall where I read it and I can't find it again so I'm just not sure. Anyway if that is the way it works, if reading it in the cover uses only the cover's battery as long as the internal battery is charged, that means it will probably be a long lived device as long as you leave the cover on. On the other hand if it always runs off the internal battery and the cover just keeps that charged, the Oasis is doomed to an early death. Just as it would be if you read it out of the cover all the time. I have no way of knowing for sure which of these is the true situation and I find it difficult to believe that Amazon didn't think of this, but I guess that's possible. They don't miss much but things happen. Anyway, I'm not buying an Oasis until I know more about this and if I already had one I'd keep it in the cover to try to protect it as much as possible. This is a scary situation. I did send some feedback to Amazon and hopefully they'll let me or everyone know something about this. It looks to me like a pretty nice device but right now I'm afraid of it and I think it's something Amazon needs to explain. Barry

05-21-2016, 01:47 PM	#27
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	If the reader had been designed for use in the cover all of the time, it wouldn't have had its own battery. It could have been built as a reader/cover in such a way that the cover wouldn't even be detachable.

05-21-2016, 03:22 PM	#29
Barbara1955 Non-Techy Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders	I think the fact that the Cover Cant be Charge without being on the reader is going to prove the be a fatal flaw in the long run. Amazon advertise it to be Read without the cover. Yet the battery life is Mainly in the cover ... How many charges can the cover give the device Before they are both dead? How long does it take to Charge them? As Berryman pointed out How long before they both wont charge at all? Then what another $$300 to replace it? I betting Amazon not going to replace them. Look how their Return & replacement policies have changed in the past couple of years. Use to be IF the Device failed They would replace it with New. Now you are lucky if you get a Use Replacement.

05-21-2016, 03:27 PM	#30
howyoudoin how YOU doin? Posts: 1,100 Karma: 7371047 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: India Device: Kindle Keyboard, iPad Pro 10.5”, Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Libra 2	I always have a laugh at those who have a laugh at others and then go on to make a 'humble' sugestion. That's false humility and not a desirable virtue.