Development support hardware

knc1 · 05-19-2016, 08:20 PM

A shameless plea for money.

You're too late, the goal has been reached.

Spoiler:

Public comments to this thread please.

geekmaster · 05-19-2016, 09:28 PM

I can donate a spare "cheap-ass" sound dongle (proven working) and a USB OTG cable (if I can find one -- I gave most of them to friends). And we can save the one-month shipping from China. I no longer have "spare money"...

The postage to you would cost more than the $1.48 in parts.

BTW, these sound dongles snap apart and the thick parts are USB jack, the headphone and microphone jacks, and a couple of thru-hole capacitors. It could have the thick parts removed or reloacted, and be comfotably glued inside a kindle, I think. Perhaps we can wire it to the unused 3G USB instead of the "usbnet" USB? But that would require a bit of kernel module reconfiguration -- prehaps not yet worth the effort, and prone to firmware update breakage, perhaps.

My original goal for these USB sound dongles was for K4 sound support. Now that I am studying Kernel Module development AND toolchain building, perhaps I can actually do that soon.

EDIT: Actually, I think I will remove that thick USB jack from my sound dongle, snip off the thick end of the OTG cable, and solder the two together. I could also remove the audio jacks and solder in a headset. That would convert it into a USB headset, and if I move those capacitors to the side of the board (or replace them with equivalent surface-mount capacitors), it would be much smaller and thinner.

knc1 · 05-19-2016, 09:46 PM

The same situation here, no 'spare money'.

This thread may be against forum rules, but since NiLuJe is our moderator . . . .

Cinisajoy · 05-19-2016, 09:48 PM

I have never seen spare money.
Do you accept Amazon gift cards?

geekmaster · 05-19-2016, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knc1

This thread may be against forum rules, but since NiLuJe is our moderator . . . .

Why? We did this for YifanLu. Have the rules changed since then?

knc1 · 05-19-2016, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I have never seen spare money.
Do you accept Amazon gift cards?

If Amazon does, I guess I do.
Most of the funds are going to be spent with them anyway.

Otherwise, I will use a paypal address for collections.

geekmaster · 05-19-2016, 10:06 PM

I linked this thread to a relevant post in the parent forum. I hope they are tolerant enough to allow it (though past experience shows they enforce stricter rules than our little "Corner"):

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...52#post3320752

TinyApps.Org · 05-20-2016, 01:03 AM

Hi knc1,

Thanks for organizing this effort.

Can you please link to the required PW-3/VV/Serial port hardware?

knc1 · 05-20-2016, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyApps.Org

Hi knc1,

Thanks for organizing this effort.

Can you please link to the required PW-3/VV/Serial port hardware?

done - see first post

geekmaster · 05-20-2016, 09:36 AM

Well, that was quick. It took a lot more cheerleading to get a kindle for YifanLu back in the day.

I took a look at the usbnet script, and it assumes that if usbnet is not loaded we are in usbms mode. It apparently needs to unload the usbOTG gadget or something. Not sure if it was usbnet causing a problem, but even usbms did not work after the usb sound donge had been plugged in -- the PW3 was not even recognized as a USB device (no VID/PID) until after it was rebooted.

I am curious how it switches between OTG and usbms mode NORMALLY, because that is the process that usbnet needs to emulate or hijack (depending on how deeply it needs to couple).

In any case, a fun new project for NiLuJe, and he should enjoy that awesome hi-res display (on which Big Buck Bunny only consumes a bit over a quarter of the display). You could play four of my videos simultaneously on the PW3 (if you don't mind cropping them a bit, but films are made with important action in the "overscan safe area" anyway).

knc1 · 05-20-2016, 10:02 AM

And the searchbar USBnet command takes start/stop arguments that NiLuJe isn't using.
So there are possiblities there also.

Ref:
/usr/share/webkit-1.0/pillow/debug_cmds.json
and the scripts it calls.

Note:
/usr/local/bin
is not shipped with the production Kindles (although NiLuJe adds it back with the USBnetwork install).
the /usr/bin and /usr/sbin scripts are shipped.

geekmaster · 05-20-2016, 10:10 AM

I just noticed that the "cheap-ass" USB sound dongles are now on sale for $0.88 USD (with free shipping), if you do not mind waiting for a slow boat from China:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231904647109

Of course, you might need to order one from ebay just for the 88-cent bragging rights, eh?

NiLuJe · 05-20-2016, 10:48 AM

Well, that was kind of impressive. I don't really know what to say, so I'll keep it short and sweet: thanks, everyone

. Promise I'll try to take good care of it and do fun stuff with it

.

knc1 · 05-20-2016, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geekmaster

I just noticed that the "cheap-ass" USB sound dongles are now on sale for $0.88 USD (with free shipping), if you do not mind waiting for a slow boat from China:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231904647109

Of course, you might need to order one from ebay just for the 88-cent bragging rights, eh?

Plus those have a mic input.
Something else to play with.

knc1 · 05-20-2016, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiLuJe

Well, that was kind of impressive. I don't really know what to say, so I'll keep it short and sweet: thanks, everyone

. Promise I'll try to take good care of it and do fun stuff with it

.

Earphones I have, I'll include a set in the package.

The mic/headphone China-Dongles that GM links to - I don't have those.
But the mic input might be fun to play with.

05-19-2016, 08:20 PM	#1
knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	Development support hardware A shameless plea for money. You're too late, the goal has been reached. Spoiler: Yes, one of those rare occasions has come around again. We need a few donations "to the cause". The recipient will be NiLuJe. I will be the organizer / tax collector / call me whatever name you will. Donations to be co-ordinated by PM to myself. Although if you want to go public with information on your contribution, this thread is the place for it. If you don't recognize the contributions made to this forum by NiLuJe, check this link: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=225030 Those are all of the 'basics' that people want/need and he has been keeping them up to date for a long time now. The situation we face now The USB networking package is a 'critical package' for many Kindle, after-market purposes. There is a conflict between the USB networking package and the new Amazon Voice View feature that needs to be found / tested / fixed. NiLuJe does not have the PW-3/VV/Serial port hardware required. So I have volunteered myself to organize this fund raising effort. I have also volunteered to do the serial port addition and handle the shipping and what-not of getting this done. All of you people who are enjoying your custom screensavers and custom fonts should take special note of this request. The package to NiLuJe will be: PW-3 ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OQVZDJM/ ) less Special Offers ( follow customize link of above page to add $20 ) plus VoiceView dongle ( http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGVVG92?tag=mr060-20 ) plus custom serial port addition (no charge for my labor on that, just parts cost), see: http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...070-ND/2441359 plus a connector to be specified later ( less than $3 for both male/female parts) (And I promise not to take 6 months to do the job - like I took for doing my own.) Contact me via PM if interested in helping out. Public comments to this thread please. Last edited by pdurrant; 05-29-2016 at 04:15 AM. Reason: typo

05-19-2016, 09:28 PM	#2
geekmaster Carpe diem, c'est la vie. Posts: 6,433 Karma: 10773670 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Multiverse 6627A Device: K1 to PW3	I can donate a spare "cheap-ass" sound dongle (proven working) and a USB OTG cable (if I can find one -- I gave most of them to friends). And we can save the one-month shipping from China. I no longer have "spare money"... The postage to you would cost more than the $1.48 in parts. BTW, these sound dongles snap apart and the thick parts are USB jack, the headphone and microphone jacks, and a couple of thru-hole capacitors. It could have the thick parts removed or reloacted, and be comfotably glued inside a kindle, I think. Perhaps we can wire it to the unused 3G USB instead of the "usbnet" USB? But that would require a bit of kernel module reconfiguration -- prehaps not yet worth the effort, and prone to firmware update breakage, perhaps. My original goal for these USB sound dongles was for K4 sound support. Now that I am studying Kernel Module development AND toolchain building, perhaps I can actually do that soon. EDIT: Actually, I think I will remove that thick USB jack from my sound dongle, snip off the thick end of the OTG cable, and solder the two together. I could also remove the audio jacks and solder in a headset. That would convert it into a USB headset, and if I move those capacitors to the side of the board (or replace them with equivalent surface-mount capacitors), it would be much smaller and thinner. Last edited by geekmaster; 05-19-2016 at 09:48 PM.

05-20-2016, 09:36 AM	#10
geekmaster Carpe diem, c'est la vie. Posts: 6,433 Karma: 10773670 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Multiverse 6627A Device: K1 to PW3	Well, that was quick. It took a lot more cheerleading to get a kindle for YifanLu back in the day. I took a look at the usbnet script, and it assumes that if usbnet is not loaded we are in usbms mode. It apparently needs to unload the usbOTG gadget or something. Not sure if it was usbnet causing a problem, but even usbms did not work after the usb sound donge had been plugged in -- the PW3 was not even recognized as a USB device (no VID/PID) until after it was rebooted. I am curious how it switches between OTG and usbms mode NORMALLY, because that is the process that usbnet needs to emulate or hijack (depending on how deeply it needs to couple). In any case, a fun new project for *NiLuJe, and he should enjoy that awesome hi-res display (on which Big Buck Bunny only consumes a bit over a quarter of the display). You could play four of my videos simultaneously on the PW3 (if you don't mind cropping them a bit, but films are made with important action in the "overscan safe area" anyway). Last edited by geekmaster; 05-20-2016 at 10:06 AM.*

05-20-2016, 10:02 AM	#11
knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	And the searchbar USBnet command takes start/stop arguments that NiLuJe isn't using. So there are possiblities there also. Ref: /usr/share/webkit-1.0/pillow/debug_cmds.json and the scripts it calls. Note: /usr/local/bin is not shipped with the production Kindles (although NiLuJe adds it back with the USBnetwork install). the /usr/bin and /usr/sbin scripts are shipped. Last edited by knc1; 05-20-2016 at 10:05 AM.

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05-19-2016, 09:46 PM	#3
knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	The same situation here, no 'spare money'. This thread may be against forum rules, but since NiLuJe is our moderator . . . .

05-19-2016, 09:48 PM	#4
Cinisajoy Just a Yellow Smiley. Posts: 19,161 Karma: 83862859 Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Texas Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy	I have never seen spare money. Do you accept Amazon gift cards?

05-19-2016, 10:06 PM	#7
geekmaster Carpe diem, c'est la vie. Posts: 6,433 Karma: 10773670 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Multiverse 6627A Device: K1 to PW3	I linked this thread to a relevant post in the parent forum. I hope they are tolerant enough to allow it (though past experience shows they enforce stricter rules than our little "Corner"): https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...52#post3320752

05-20-2016, 01:03 AM	#8
TinyApps.Org Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 43222 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: e-ink monitor	Hi knc1, Thanks for organizing this effort. Can you please link to the required PW-3/VV/Serial port hardware?

05-20-2016, 10:10 AM	#12
geekmaster Carpe diem, c'est la vie. Posts: 6,433 Karma: 10773670 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Multiverse 6627A Device: K1 to PW3	I just noticed that the "cheap-ass" USB sound dongles are now on sale for $0.88 USD (with free shipping), if you do not mind waiting for a slow boat from China: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231904647109 Of course, you might need to order one from ebay just for the 88-cent bragging rights, eh?

05-20-2016, 10:48 AM	#13
NiLuJe BLAM! Posts: 13,506 Karma: 26047202 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Paris, France Device: Kindle 2i, 3g, 4, 5w, PW, PW2, PW5; Kobo H2O, Forma, Elipsa, Sage, C2E	Well, that was kind of impressive. I don't really know what to say, so I'll keep it short and sweet: thanks, everyone . Promise I'll try to take good care of it and do fun stuff with it .