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Old 04-17-2016, 05:40 AM   #46
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But HERE is the interesting part:

for some unknown reason, Sigil created an ePUB with TWO (2) mimetype files.

I would have bug-reported it (assuming it isn't already there), but I have NO idea what happened. I was working in the normal way; I changed up some image names (spaces <sigh>); I changed up some sizing on one of the images; I deleted some breaks in a Dedication between lines (tsk)...and that's about it. The bloody thing passed ePUBcheck, mind you--I was only alerted to the problem when I went to view it with ADE, which puked. It wasn't until we unzipped it that we found the problem.

CLUELESS as to the cause. No crashes or anything else, that I know of. Have not had a chance to head over to the list to see if this is known, common, or is known to happen when X occurs. Just thought I'd mention it. I was shocked--it's funny how fast we become accustomed to something being stablestable, eh?
That was a known issue with an older version of the ePubCheck Plugin. Running the check before saving was actually causing the dual mimetype. Drove me a bit bonkers tracking that one down. Doitsu, I think, created a tool to check epubs for the dual mimetype (as well as fixing the issue in the plugin itself).
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Old 04-17-2016, 06:04 AM   #47
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That was a known issue with an older version of the ePubCheck Plugin. Running the check before saving was actually causing the dual mimetype. Drove me a bit bonkers tracking that one down. Doitsu, I think, created a tool to check epubs for the dual mimetype (as well as fixing the issue in the plugin itself).
Oh, good, I'm not crazy. (Forebear from the cracks, dudes!). I thought I vaguely recalled seeing something fly by my eyes here, about mimetypes, but for the life of me, I couldn't remember where. It occurred just yesterday, so I hadn't had a chance to rummage around for it (posts, comments, plugins) via searches yet. I will have to check on my plugin version, because I could swear that both my Sigil and the plugins are pretty much up-to-date, excluding betas of any type. hmmph.

I'll bet it did drive you nuts. Drove me nuts trying to figure out how the hell the think could ePUBcheck, but not open. I'll try to check everything tomorrow, and make sure that I have all the latest/greatest, and I'll install Doits' Double Double Toil & Trouble plugin. Bonkers, indeed!

Thanks, Diap.

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Also, if I'm understanding correctly, the software that corrupted the file that we're discussing here was a Word plug-in that lets it import and export EPUB files, so I wouldn't rule out that possibility.
Ahem - actually its almost certain that the conversion from EPUB to DOCX/ODT/RTF whatever and back again was done with something that used the DevExpress RichEdit control which ain't no Word Add-in nor yet a Sigil/Calibre plugin.

DevExpress Winforms is a .NET based framework that integrates with Visual Studio and other IDEs. Someone could have built an EPUB↔DOCX converter as a Word Addin using DevExpress, but almost certainly as part of an enterprise bespoke application.

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Thanks. Honestly...I genuinely hadn't thought of that tack. Much appreciated.
I could have sworn we threw that idea back/forth years (?) ago when we were discussing the expanded FAQ + instructions + a potential "priority" support fee.

Then you expanded on your extensive email macros for answering everything under the sun... because you get the same questions a million times a day. And then you informed me of the people not even clicking on the instructions... let alone going into an FAQ to find answers themselves.

You just shot down all my brilliant ideas with your customer support reality.... because the reality is, these people's eyes just glaze over and all your well-written hard work gets tossed in the garbage.

Side Note: It reminds me of people who write instruction manuals. Am I the only one here who actually opens them up first thing and reads them? I need to learn how to actually use the device before plugging it in!

The latest story I can remember was when I purchased a dehumidifier. Instruction manual says in big bold letters: "Place at least 15 inches away from the wall". Guess where someone wanted to place it right after plugging it in... right against the wall, jammed in the corner.

Most people just plug and play contraptions, and never even touch the instruction manual (probably throw it away with the box).
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Side Note: It reminds me of people who write instruction manuals. Am I the only one here who actually opens them up first thing and reads them? I need to learn how to actually use the device before plugging it in!

The latest story I can remember was when I purchased a dehumidifier. Instruction manual says in big bold letters: "Place at least 15 inches away from the wall". Guess where someone wanted to place it right after plugging it in... right against the wall, jammed in the corner.

Most people just plug and play contraptions, and never even touch the instruction manual (probably throw it away with the box).
Particularly annoying though is when I open up a box and find in the instructions leaflet the first thing is "how to unpackage the item". If I hadn't unpackaged it already then how the heck would I be reading this ?

You also get devices these days where the instructions manual isn't a paper one but can be found "on the device". So if you want to know just how long to charge your new wotsit before using it you have to switch it on and use it only to discover that you should have charged it for 14 hours first.

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Old 04-17-2016, 09:37 PM   #51
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I could have sworn we threw that idea back/forth years (?) ago when we were discussing the expanded FAQ + instructions + a potential "priority" support fee.
I genuinely don't recall talking about providing them with destructions on making their own gravy, but in reading Dag's suggestion, it occurred to me that explaining, in some detail, in a generic document, what they'd have to do to make edits in their ePUB/MOBI might serve me in another way--showing them that there's no such thing as a "quick" edit, not really.

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Then you expanded on your extensive email macros for answering everything under the sun... because you get the same questions a million times a day. And then you informed me of the people not even clicking on the instructions... let alone going into an FAQ to find answers themselves.
Yes. This was, in short, a real bummer. We have ~100 different articles in the FAQ, mostly about self-publishing itself, and several hundred canned responses that live in our customer service system. The only way folks seem to be happy with the information is if it shows up in an email. It doesn't matter if we've pointed them to the FAQ article on the topic, which is identical to what we'll send them--the information is only good enough if we go through the mechanics of pasting it into the email and hitting "send." (n.b.: too sad, too, because one of the reasons that I settled upon Desk.com for our CS system, way back when it was Assistly, was because you could "leverage" your faq. You could build an FAQ that people could search, AND, you could pull your articles from that FAQ automatically to respond to questions in the email system. I thought that was bloody brilliant until my childish hopes and dreams were crushed by the cruel reality that nobody reads. <sigh>).

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You just shot down all my brilliant ideas with your customer support reality.... because the reality is, these people's eyes just glaze over and all your well-written hard work gets tossed in the garbage.
Don't feel bad. I was pretty crushed by the realization, too. Particularly as, being pig-headed, I'd spent hundreds of hours writing all the damn stuff.

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Side Note: It reminds me of people who write instruction manuals. Am I the only one here who actually opens them up first thing and reads them? I need to learn how to actually use the device before plugging it in!
I suspect we are in good company here. Most of the people in this neck of MR (bookmakers and such) strike me as instruction-readers, too.

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The latest story I can remember was when I purchased a dehumidifier. Instruction manual says in big bold letters: "Place at least 15 inches away from the wall". Guess where someone wanted to place it right after plugging it in... right against the wall, jammed in the corner.

Most people just plug and play contraptions, and never even touch the instruction manual (probably throw it away with the box).
I'm constantly confounded by the non-existence of manuals for things. The dreaded new keyboard, for example. There are, obviously, functions that are pre-programmed into this thing, in some combination of keyboard keys. Damn if I know what the HELL they are. There's some bizarro-world caps-lock thing, that drives me insane at least 5x weekly. Would it have killed them to put the damn manual online, at LEAST?

I don't understand why people have decided that instructions are worthless. I don't know whether to blame Steve Jobs for this or not, as I (obviously) can't know if people were like this in, say, the first half of the 20th century. But they DAMN sure are that way now.

(n.b.: Yes, I would agree that by definition, I tend to get clients that don't RTFI, because otherwise, they'd be trying to make their own books, or would know how to use Word. By and large, they don't. So, yes: my view is skewed by my own experience.)

And, yes, I was "bad," because I didn't search the Bug reports before whining about Dueling Mimetypes--so I'm guilty of the same thing that I'm bitching about.

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Old 04-17-2016, 10:42 PM   #52
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Particularly annoying though is when I open up a box and find in the instructions leaflet the first thing is "how to unpackage the item". If I hadn't unpackaged it already then how the heck would I be reading this ?
Maybe 'cos you found one of the zillion Unboxing your Wotsit videos on youtube.

What I hate is that packaging you have to cut open with a borrowed pair of double handed tin snips - in order to get at your new... mouse.

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I don't know whether to blame Steve Jobs for this or not, as I (obviously) can't know if people were like this in, say, the first half of the 20th century.
We didn't have instruction manuals, because things weren't complicated. And if they were, there was always Billy Kenny or Lyle Crommett or another of the guys who was born knowing things and could show you how to do it.

The only exception to that was sex. Nobody knew how to do it, so there was the so-called Marriage Manual written by a guy with a Dutch name. Van der Pelt? Something like that.
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What I hate is that packaging you have to cut open with a borrowed pair of double handed tin snips - in order to get at your new... mouse.

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I'm with you on that! It's why shopping at Costco should come with hazardous duty pay. I need industrial-strength tools to unwrap that stuff.

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We didn't have instruction manuals, because things weren't complicated. And if they were, there was always Billy Kenny or Lyle Crommett or another of the guys who was born knowing things and could show you how to do it.

The only exception to that was sex. Nobody knew how to do it, so there was the so-called Marriage Manual written by a guy with a Dutch name. Van der Pelt? Something like that.
You know, NJ, I should have expected that you'd come up with that one. I'm pretty sure that while not everyone had HAPPY sex lives, in the first part of human existence, that those selfsame sex lives still bore fruit of the reproductive kind, or we wouldn't be here to talk about it.

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Driven by curiosity I looked it up: "To have and to hold: A guide to successful marriage - Nancy L van Pelt" (what a toxically kitschy cover *shrug*)

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Driven by curiosity I looked it up: "To have and to hold: A guide to successful marriage - Nancy L van Pelt" (what a toxically kitschy cover *shrug*)
I'm afraid to look. I recall a book I had the privilege of proofing, at DP; some tome written in the 19th century about how a lady conducts herself. I managed to finish it without totally rewriting it. I figured, of course, that it would NEVER make it past the steely-eyed seniors, but, still...I coulda had a BLAST with that one.

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Isn't that Freud's rule of everything? ;-)

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Actually, it turns out to have been Ideal Marriage: Its Physiology and Technique, by Theodoor Hendrik van de Velde.

I once worked this into a novel, where I actually did use the name van der Pelt. I would love to think that someone read it and went out and wrote the book under that name, but I don't think that could have happened, because the novel was neither finished nor published.
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Better and better: Wiki tells me that "The first printing had an insert: "The sale of this book is strictly limited to members of the medical profession, Psychoanalysts, Scholars, and to such adults as may have a definite position in the field of Physiological, Psychological, or Social Research.""

And it was placed on the Index in 1931, the year I was born. (Just made it under the wire, I guess.)
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Yes, you can. Not out of the box, but you can open an ePUB in Word.
So can you mark distributed ePubs as Read Only ?
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So can you mark distributed ePubs as Read Only ?
No, that is not possible with ePUB at all.
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