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Old 04-19-2016, 05:38 PM   #811
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And while I suspect we may be teasing here, Mr Van Dyke seems to refer to himself that way. This is from the book excerpt on the above audio deal:
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And while I suspect we may be teasing here, Mr Van Dyke seems to refer to himself that way. This is from the book excerpt on the above audio deal:
It may be because you sometimes you just have to give up when people won't listen to you and are bound and determined to keep getting it wrong.

It's like the Leonardo da Vinci thing. As IssyBird pointed out, "da Vinci" is not a last name! It means "from Venci (probably Venice)." That was the first error, of many errors, in the book The Da Vinci Code--the error was on the very cover of the book! But, I've given up on people getting that straight after I got bad reviews on a comment that I made about that on a new book seller's website, about The Da Vinci Code. Sigh.

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Well, yeah, originally that was true. Leonardo didn't have a last name. But by the 20th century, people USED last names, and "Van Dyke" had become a last name!
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It may be because you sometimes you just have to give up when people won't listen to you and are bound and determined to keep getting it wrong.

It's like the Leonardo da Vinci thing. As IssyBird pointed out, "da Vinci" is not a last name! It means "from Venci (probably Venice)." That was the first error, of many errors, in book The Da Vinci Code--the error was on the very cover of the book! But, I've given up on people getting that straight after I got bad reviews on a comment that I made about that on a new book seller's website. Sigh.
da Vinci sounds better since it's not English. If it were translated into English, we wouldn't do it because it would sound strange.

Ahh... the language of love:

"Mon cochon est très belle et je veux l'embrasser passionnément"
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da Vinci sounds better since it's not English. If it were translated into English, we wouldn't do it because it would sound strange.

Ahh... the language of love:

"Mon cochon est très belle et je veux l'embrasser passionnément"
Uh, have fun with that.
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Well, yeah, originally that was true. Leonardo didn't have a last name. But by the 20th century, people USED last names, and "Van Dyke" had become a last name!
Oh, I certainly agree.

But in da Vinci's day, "da Vinci" was not a proper name. It meant "of Venci." In his time and place--like many, many times and places--that's often how different people with the same given name were distinguished from one another, before the common use of surnames. For example, "Which Leonardo are you talking about? The Leonardo of Rome or the Leonardo of Venice?" "Oh, I'm talking about Leonardo of Venice (Leonardo da Vinci)."

Illustrations of your point:
- "Ericson" (Scandinavia)--now a surname, but originally meant "son of Eric."
- All of the "O'-s" of Irish surnames (O'Malley, O'Riley, "O'Hara, et al.). The "O'" originally meant "of," and was not, then, a surname. But many, maybe most, maybe all, became the surnames that we know today.
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Uh, have fun with that.
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I'm afraid, though, that your cochon is beau, not belle.
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Fascinating subject, even if . . . .

Many, many surnames of today come from the job/profession that a person had, too:
"Cooper"--was a job in the process of making wooden barrels.
"Smith"--any number of different jobs--blacksmith, coppersmith, et al.
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"Oh, I'm talking about Leonardo of Venice (Leonardo da Vinci)."
Leonardo of Venice would be Leonardo di Venezia. Who he?
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I don't know. It's just what I read.

Perhaps like English, the spelling changed over time "da" became "di" or "di" became "da;" "Venci" became "Venezia" or "Venezia" became "Venci." Just a guess.
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I don't know. It's just what I read.

Perhaps like English, the spelling changed over time "da" became "di" or "di" became "da;" "Venci" became "Venezia" or "Venezia" became "Venci." Just a guess.
Vinci is a Tuscan town with a rather famous native son.

I don't know how else to say it, but perhaps posting your guesses as fact isn't the best course if you're trying to win hearts and minds? Your guess seems reasonable on the face of it, but it's easily checked and disproved.
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Wait a minute ..... that's Stanley and Oliver, isn't it? Not Dick Van Dyke....

But is Dick Van Dyke really about 90 now?? Of course, I haven't seen any video of him lately.
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I don't know if WT did it intentionally, but there is a strong connection between Dick van Dyke and Stan Laurel, so it was a pretty appropriate juxtaposition...
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Here's a 7 minute NPR interview from May 2011 with Dick that can be downloaded:

Dick Van Dyke Talks About His 'Lucky Life' And What Stan Laurel Left Him
I didn't do it intentionally, but I have seen Dick Van Dyke portray Stan Laurel on several TV shows.

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