Are any of these accessible for clumsy users?

MarjaE · 03-06-2016, 12:49 PM

I have coordination and sensory issues. Because of my coordination issues, I can't avoid accidental tapping, accidental gestures, etc., and while I can use a lateral quadrupod grip I can't use a dynamic tripod and can't write without resting my hand on the surface.

Because of my sensory issues, zooming animation can trigger nasty migraines, and other types of animation can also trigger migraines.

So... pinch-to-zoom is an absolute nightmare for me.

I understand that some older Boox devices have styli.

Does this mean I wouldn't have to worry about accidental taps, accidental pinches, etc.?

Does this mean I would have to be careful about buttons on the styli?

Does this mean I would be able to operate them with buttons alone?

Thanks.

Feher · 03-06-2016, 03:24 PM

There are both new (to be released yet) and older devices having styli

Stylus only devices are Boox Max, N96 ML and M92/M96. All these readers are large screen devices and you won't have to worry about pinch to zoom

With Stylus only device :-
1) Yes, There will not be any accidental taps, pinches etc
2) I do not have enough information to answer this question.
First generation of stylus that came with M92 model didn't have any buttons.
The second generation of stylus was thicker and had an extra eraser button ( i do not know if there was any other button as well).
The new models may come with 2nd or 3rd generation of stylus.
Both the first and second versions were interchangeable. So you might be able to purchase the first generation stylus and use it

3) Again the current data is insufficient to answer this question.
Onyx M92 came with 4 simple buttons + 1 Joystick button. It was possible to use the device with buttons alone and without stylus.

The new models have 4 buttons only. Without joystick button, i assume it will be necessary to use stylus for some tasks.

bsnick · 03-06-2016, 10:41 PM

I would argue that if you have accidental taps with your finger you'd have the same with a stylus, as the stylus is basically a finger-substitute, just more accurate (meaning, it's easier to hit a target with a stylus because of the fine tip). I suppose it comes down to: can you use a pen as a pointer with less shaking, or more accuracy, than you would have with your finger alone?

One other item to consider with the stylus is that it isn't attached to the device. There is no chain or string that connects to the device, so you'd have to put your pen into a holder of some sort. The new N96 has a holder attached, but for M96 and M92 you need to have a case with a slot for the pen. If your co-ordination issues would make you drop the pen you could perhaps create a home-made wrist-loop for the large pen, but it wouldn't work as well for the small pens as they don't have any holes for a string.

Button-wise, I can comment that the M96 physical buttons aren't overly sensitive. The d-pad directionals seem to be the most sensitive, but the back, menu, page-up, page-down and d-pad press all require a bit of force, enough that if you have shaking hands, for instance, you probably wouldn't accidentally click them.

Can you use the buttons exclusively? I haven't tried, really. I believe there's a video on youtube about using the M96 without the pen. You can probably do a lot since you have the back button and the menu, and the d-pad is basically just a finger tap once you've navigated. Problem is that it's not always easy to tell where the 'cursor' (for lack of a better word) is at the moment. You might have to move back and forth in an attempt to see it move from one area to the next. And with the d-pad's movement being the most sensitive (on the M96) of the buttons you might find yourself frustrated by over-shooting the target.

Having said that it does seem like the M96 is mostly usable with just the buttons. You might be able to find programs (like Xposed Additions) to assign further actions to buttons. ie, long-press of the menu button triggering the recent apps, long-pressing the back button sending you to the home screen.

Zoom on the M96 is only done via third-party apps like Assistive Zoom. So you'd only accidentally zoom if you tapped the floating zoom icon.

MarjaE · 03-07-2016, 11:09 AM

Thanks.

I have proprioceptive/kinesthetic issues, or a poor sense of where my hands and fingers are, rather than shakiness issues.

03-06-2016, 12:49 PM	#1
MarjaE Guru Posts: 934 Karma: 53902736 Join Date: Jun 2015 Device: multiple	Are any of these accessible for clumsy users? I have coordination and sensory issues. Because of my coordination issues, I can't avoid accidental tapping, accidental gestures, etc., and while I can use a lateral quadrupod grip I can't use a dynamic tripod and can't write without resting my hand on the surface. Because of my sensory issues, zooming animation can trigger nasty migraines, and other types of animation can also trigger migraines. So... pinch-to-zoom is an absolute nightmare for me. I understand that some older Boox devices have styli. Does this mean I wouldn't have to worry about accidental taps, accidental pinches, etc.? Does this mean I would have to be careful about buttons on the styli? Does this mean I would be able to operate them with buttons alone? Thanks.

03-06-2016, 03:24 PM	#2
Feher Addict Posts: 248 Karma: 1502286 Join Date: Jan 2013 Device: Onyx Boox M92; Onyx Boox i86ML; Kobo Aura H2O; Dasung Paperlike	There are both new (to be released yet) and older devices having styli Stylus only devices are Boox Max, N96 ML and M92/M96. All these readers are large screen devices and you won't have to worry about pinch to zoom With Stylus only device :- 1) Yes, There will not be any accidental taps, pinches etc 2) I do not have enough information to answer this question. First generation of stylus that came with M92 model didn't have any buttons. The second generation of stylus was thicker and had an extra eraser button ( i do not know if there was any other button as well). The new models may come with 2nd or 3rd generation of stylus. Both the first and second versions were interchangeable. So you might be able to purchase the first generation stylus and use it 3) Again the current data is insufficient to answer this question. Onyx M92 came with 4 simple buttons + 1 Joystick button. It was possible to use the device with buttons alone and without stylus. The new models have 4 buttons only. Without joystick button, i assume it will be necessary to use stylus for some tasks. Last edited by Feher; 03-06-2016 at 03:27 PM.

03-06-2016, 10:41 PM	#3
bsnick Zealot Posts: 119 Karma: 42 Join Date: Aug 2015 Device: Onyx M96+, T68+, Max2, YP2, HiSense A2 Pro	I would argue that if you have accidental taps with your finger you'd have the same with a stylus, as the stylus is basically a finger-substitute, just more accurate (meaning, it's easier to hit a target with a stylus because of the fine tip). I suppose it comes down to: can you use a pen as a pointer with less shaking, or more accuracy, than you would have with your finger alone? One other item to consider with the stylus is that it isn't attached to the device. There is no chain or string that connects to the device, so you'd have to put your pen into a holder of some sort. The new N96 has a holder attached, but for M96 and M92 you need to have a case with a slot for the pen. If your co-ordination issues would make you drop the pen you could perhaps create a home-made wrist-loop for the large pen, but it wouldn't work as well for the small pens as they don't have any holes for a string. Button-wise, I can comment that the M96 physical buttons aren't overly sensitive. The d-pad directionals seem to be the most sensitive, but the back, menu, page-up, page-down and d-pad press all require a bit of force, enough that if you have shaking hands, for instance, you probably wouldn't accidentally click them. Can you use the buttons exclusively? I haven't tried, really. I believe there's a video on youtube about using the M96 without the pen. You can probably do a lot since you have the back button and the menu, and the d-pad is basically just a finger tap once you've navigated. Problem is that it's not always easy to tell where the 'cursor' (for lack of a better word) is at the moment. You might have to move back and forth in an attempt to see it move from one area to the next. And with the d-pad's movement being the most sensitive (on the M96) of the buttons you might find yourself frustrated by over-shooting the target. Having said that it does seem like the M96 is mostly usable with just the buttons. You might be able to find programs (like Xposed Additions) to assign further actions to buttons. ie, long-press of the menu button triggering the recent apps, long-pressing the back button sending you to the home screen. Zoom on the M96 is only done via third-party apps like Assistive Zoom. So you'd only accidentally zoom if you tapped the floating zoom icon. Last edited by bsnick; 03-07-2016 at 12:51 AM.

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03-07-2016, 11:09 AM	#4
MarjaE Guru Posts: 934 Karma: 53902736 Join Date: Jun 2015 Device: multiple	Thanks. I have proprioceptive/kinesthetic issues, or a poor sense of where my hands and fingers are, rather than shakiness issues.