e-Book Tools - a Word add-in

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

I will read up on exclusion dictionaries and see if I can use them. I assume I can make it work for the Word spelling engine, but I am not sure if I can for the Hunspell engine.

I have no expectations you would to apply them to hunspell dictionaries - that would definitely be a bridge too far. I just wanted to clarify how I 'adjust' the standard Word dictionaries.

Originally Posted by Toxaris

I have made a work-around for using the Hunspell custom dictionaries with the Word engine in my own procedure. However, using these for the standard Word spelling procedure is different. I have made an option in the setting screen to add these to the Custom Dictionaries for Word, but then a restart of Word is required.

As already indicated, I'll have no problems with having to restart Word when I want to switch from using Word's dictionaries to hunspell dictionaries and vice versa - but I would like to know which ones I'm currently using

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Of course when an additional custom dictionary is used, it is displayed which one. You can even switch during operation.

By custom dictionaries I assume you mean the supplementary word lists that Word and hunspell can use and maintain. Are you saying they can be the same files - that would be cool? I use multiple 'custom dictionaries' in Word - one for general purpose, and others that are genre/domain specific.

Originally Posted by Toxaris

With regards to the settings you mention (talking about giving a finger...). Numbers are ignored by default, also with the Hunspell engine. However, words partially number, partially letters are not ignored and with reason. Often these are the result of OCR errors, one example which occurs often in Dutch is '2o' instead of 'zo'. Therefore I am doubting to make that an option. The same goes for Words in capitals, often these are smallcaps not identified correctly by the OCR process. The internet addresses might be possible, I will look into this. I might incorporate these options, but I am not sure yet.

Numbers are my main concern, I only mentioned the UPPERCASE and urls for 'completeness' sake.

I raise it because the spell checker in Sigil does ignore some words with numbers, but the spell checker in calibre doesn't ignore any - but both purport to use hunspell. If you're interested spellcheck this -- untitled.epub -- in sigil and calibre

The following is the same real book - sigil on the left, calibre on the right, with same dictionaries.



In the following index entry, Calibre reports 235n32 as a misspelling, but Sigil doesn't - and it is not because of semantic settings.

<a class="normal" href="../Text/Notes-1.html#page_235">235n32</a>

But for real books such as the one above I only convert them to DOCX for the purpose of iFilter based content searching. I would never spell check it in Word.

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[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

I have no expectations you would to apply them to hunspell dictionaries - that would definitely be a bridge too far. I just wanted to clarify how I 'adjust' the standard Word dictionaries.

I already made them work for the hunspell dictionaries as well... That was not so hard, getting the filename for the exclusion file was (long live CLID...).

Originally Posted by BetterRed

As already indicated, I'll have no problems with having to restart Word when I want to switch from using Word's dictionaries to hunspell dictionaries and vice versa - but I would like to know which ones I'm currently using

Hunspell only works for my procedure and there it is displayed whether the Word or Hunspell engine is used. If you want to switch custom dictionary a restart is only required for the Word spelling procedure. I made it work for using the Word spelling engine for my procedure.

Originally Posted by BetterRed

By custom dictionaries I assume you mean the supplementary word lists that Word and hunspell can use and maintain. Are you saying they can be the same files - that would be cool? I use multiple 'custom dictionaries' in Word - one for general purpose, and others that are genre/domain specific.

Yes, you can use them both in my spelling procedure, but only one at the time.

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Numbers are my main concern, I only mentioned the UPPERCASE and urls for 'completeness' sake.

I raise it because the spell checker in Sigil does ignore some words with numbers, but the spell checker in calibre doesn't ignore any - but both purport to use hunspell. If you're interested spellcheck this -- Attachment 146820 -- in sigil and calibre

The following is the same real book - sigil on the left, calibre on the right, with same dictionaries.

Attachment 146819

In the following index entry, Calibre reports 235n32 as a misspelling, but Sigil doesn't - and it is not because of semantic settings.

<a class="normal" href="../Text/Notes-1.html#page_235">235n32</a>

But for real books such as the one above I only convert them to DOCX for the purpose of iFilter based content searching. I would never spell check it in Word.

I have incorporated this, so my spelling engine uses the same settings as Word. However, I will also create a setting to ignore this for my specific procedure, as I feel that it would bypass several spelling mistakes. I will also set a strong warning about these settings in the manual.

[BetterRed]

Sounds good, but I'm a little confused This is how I envisage it working for me :

I would first use the Word dictionaries/engine via your Spell Checker UI, which is what it does now - yes? Then I'd like to switch to the hunspell dictionaries/engine via your Spell Checker UI for a second opinion. And when I switch dictionaries/engine I am expecting I'll have to restart Word.

Regarding the 'user dictionaries'. Whilst I think its a cool idea to share them between Word and Hunspell, I don't want to be locked into doing that. Nor do I want to locked into having them in fixed locations. I don't keep my Word 'user dictionaries' in the default location %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof, they're in a subdirectory of my D:\BabbleOn folder. I don't want to change that.

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[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Sounds good, but I'm a little confused This is how I envisage it working for me :

I would first use the Word dictionaries/engine via your Spell Checker UI, which is what it does now - yes? Then I'd like to switch to the hunspell dictionaries/engine via your Spell Checker UI for a second opinion. And when I switch dictionaries/engine I am expecting I'll have to restart Word.

Almost right. You can change from the Word spelling engine to the Hunspell spelling engine via the settings. No restart of Word required. You cannot use the Hunspell spelling engine with the Spelling Procedure of Word itself, only with my Spelling Procedure.

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Regarding the 'user dictionaries'. Whilst I think its a cool idea to share them between Word and Hunspell, I don't want to be locked into doing that. Nor do I want to locked into having them in fixed locations. I don't keep my Word 'user dictionaries' in the default location %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof, they're in a subdirectory of my D:\BabbleOn folder. I don't want to change that.

Of course you make things difficult! You don't need to have them in fixed locations. That being said, the Hunspell user dictionaries are expected in %appdata%\Toxaris\Userdic. The location of the user dictionaries in Word are retrieved from Word itself. The exclusion dictionary in Word is expected in the %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof with the default naming.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Almost right. You can change from the Word spelling engine to the Hunspell spelling engine via the settings. No restart of Word required. You cannot use the Hunspell spelling engine with the Spelling Procedure of Word itself, only with my Spelling Procedure.

Sounds even better So, under what circumstance would I need to restart Word, or have you been able to remove the need?

Originally Posted by Toxaris

You cannot use the Hunspell spelling engine with the Spelling Procedure of Word itself, only with my Spelling Procedure.

As Jane Seymour responded to her brother Edward's urging not to give in to the King, "Why would I want to do that?" :lol:

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Of course you make things difficult! You don't need to have them in fixed locations. That being said, the Hunspell user dictionaries are expected in %appdata%\Toxaris\Userdic. The location of the user dictionaries in Word are retrieved from Word itself. The exclusion dictionary in Word is expected in the %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof with the default naming.

I am assuming I will need to copy the hunspell dictionaries into %appdata%\toxaris - that's cool

However, I regard the so-called 'custom dictionaries' as 'mine', so I keep those word lists in BabbleOn\Word\CustomDicts.

In fact, I also keep the exclusion dictionaries in my BabbleOn folder with comprehensible names with symlinks thereto in %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof with the the MS incomprehensible names. So, %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof\ExcludeDictionaryEN0809 .lex is a symlink to D:\BabbleOn\Word\Exclusions\English_UK.list.

I use these word lists in other programs, and... I don't like having to duck and dive in and out of appdata this, and appdata that, to edit my data.

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[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Sounds even better So, under what circumstance would I need to restart Word, or have you been able to remove the need?

Only if you want a new custom dictionary with the Word spelling procedure. For my spelling procedure it is not required at all.

Originally Posted by BetterRed

I am assuming I will need to copy the hunspell dictionaries into %appdata%\toxaris - that's cool

Actually to %appdata%\Toxaris\Lang. It is specified in the manual when I upload it.

Originally Posted by BetterRed

However, I regard the so-called 'custom dictionaries' as 'mine', so I keep those word lists in BabbleOn\Word\CustomDicts.

In fact, I also keep the exclusion dictionaries in my BabbleOn folder with comprehensible names with symlinks thereto in %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof with the the MS incomprehensible names. So, %appdata%\Microsoft\UProof\ExcludeDictionaryEN0809 .lex is a symlink to D:\BabbleOn\Word\Exclusions\English_UK.list.

I use these word lists in other programs, and... I don't like having to duck and dive in and out of appdata this, and appdata that, to edit my data.

So, no issue. You can keep your Custom Dictionaries where you want them as long as they are 'known' in Word. If the exclusion dictionary is a symbolic link, it should work.

[BetterRed]

@Toxaris - Maybe this is already possible, if so can you tell me how.

I would like to have a tool similar to S&R (or part of S&R) which instead of substituting 'Search' strings with 'Replace' strings would simply place a 'mark' before the string - the 'mark' would be specified in Settings - eg I might use [check this]. Table rows would be something like this

<Mark>
    <Wildcards>false</Wildcards>
    <CaseSensitive>false</CaseSensitive>
    <WholeWord>true</WholeWord>
    <Search>trail</Search>
<\Mark>

<Mark>
    <Wildcards>false</Wildcards>
    <CaseSensitive>false</CaseSensitive>
    <WholeWord>true</WholeWord>
    <Search>trial</Search>
<\Mark>

After running the Mark tool user would then do a regular Find for the 'mark' - e.g. [check this].

I appreciate what the Permissions flag does and I use it to good effect. But sometimes I need to listen to a podcast to make a decision as to whether the speaker said 'trail' or 'trial', other times I need to open another document to make a decision. I don't like leaving modal dialogues 'hanging in the balance' for long periods whilst I'm doing something else. And at other times I'd like to process the 'ambiguities' over an extended period - e.g. 'I'll finish that after lunch'

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[Toxaris]

This is currently not possible. I do see the added value for that (although I would not use it I think). The S&R procedure could be (re-)used for that I think, as well as the S&R-editor. At the moment you can already leave out the replace-tag in the XML (or Word document) for S&R commands that have no clear replacement. That is for example used in searching for numbers that might be OCR errors or left-over page numbers.

As I see this, it would be an automated procedure. Just run and mark or run and de-mark (unmark?). In that respect it is similar to the tag layout procedure.

I am doubting whether to put it in next release or the one after that. I planned to release the next release (1.19.0) today, so I think it will be for the 1.20.0 release.

[BetterRed]

No hurry, its been rattling around at back of mind for ages - I hadn't mentioned it because I thought it might be regarded as daft idea, until I saw a similar request elsewhere.

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[Toxaris]

Version 1.19.0 has been released yesterday. It is a huge update with many new features. Please check the settings and the changelog for all changes.

Amongst the changes are a big rework of the spelling procedure and the option to export equations as SVG in an ePUB.

[BetterRed]

After installing 1.19, Settings says I'm using 1.18 and I get message telling me there's a new version - but I can tell I'm running 1.19 'cause the hunspell related settings are in Settings->Spellcheck

We've been here before - epubtools.dll->Properties->Details reports version 1.18

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[bravosx]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

After installing 1.19, Settings says I'm using 1.18 and I get message telling me there's a new version - but I can tell I'm running 1.19 'cause the hunspell related settings are in Settings->Spellcheck

We've been here before - the version number in epubtools.dll->Properties->Details reports version 1.18

BR

For me, the same situation

bravosx

[Toxaris]

Strange, I have updated the version info. I have checked that. Anyway, I will fix this of course and upload 1.19.1 to fix this.

**Done**

[BetterRed]

@Toxaris - How do I set the Hunspell dictionary - I was hoping I could 'use' the dictionaries I have in Sigil - that's the real dictionaries (dic and aff).

When I replace a word from the suggested list, I am then asked to confirm the replacement, can there be an option to suppress that.

I don't understand this:



The various spellcheck windows/dialogue-boxes appear at top right corner of monitor. If the taskbar is positioned vertically on right edge, as mine is, the windows/dialogue-boxes are under the taskbar, to use them they have to be dragged out. Given the last used positions are not saved I suggest it would be better to centre them.

More too come.

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[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

**Done**

Verified

Could keyboard shortcuts/accelerators be added to the Spellchecker buttons and checkboxes, and could the word list context menu be made to work with the Menu key

I have had a couple of instances where the 'building word list' process is either very, very slow or its 'wedged'. Then when I exit the spell checker I get the Word message about having a large amount of data in the clipboard, with options to save, discard etc. Its not document related because I can exit Word and open same document and its OK.

Sometimes, not sure how or why, when I exit the spellchecker the entire text is selected - as if I'd done a ctrl+a. If one doesn't hit escape immediately one could easily overtype or delete the text with the press of a single key.

The spellchecker window is minimisable, is that wise? I am not suggesting it should be modal, as that would preclude one from editing the body of the text manually. But if it's minimisable it could get 'lost' amongst taskbar 'clutter', FWIW the Office, Sigil and Calibre spellcheckers are not minimisable.

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