Windows 10 - free upgrade to those with PC using Windows 7 or 8

[kennyc]

Analytics....

http://www.zdnet.com/article/reveale...s-are-missing/

[wodin]

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

The latest on Win 10.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...rets-revealed/

meh..

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by wodin

meh..

and besides that Forbes has put a firewall up if you use adblocker so F'em!

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Duckie seems to be indicating that email is a proof of justification for collecting user data, as a reward for processing it.

You are not getting the point. Was just an example. Win10 is meant to be run on each and every device you own. Just so everything runs and looks the same. Why they have universal apps. You can setup any cloud system you want, but you have to set it up first. What MS is doing so that you don't have to set it up, just log in and go - whether it is your tablet, phone, computer. You can argue that you can do everything better with linux (which one - all a garbled mess with incompatible to each other distros). Which OS do you recommend that will run on everything? Never seen a linux phone. MacOS and iOS talk somewhat to each other, but they are not even close to being the same. Android on a desktop? Doable, but would you really want to - it would just be a giant tablet, no more useful. Is Win10 and Win10phone going to be right from the start? No, of course not. But MS has been working to integrate those two for quite a while. Forced updates so that each machine that needs to work together works together is great - no need to worry which weird combination of updates you chose or not to install. A computer on build 89 is going to be just like another one on build 89 feature wise. You can't have it both ways: either the user is in full control and support has to keep track of 50 million issues, or everybody has to have the same features to let support focus on one configuration. You are not on the latest build, then there is your problem - update to latest build and see uf you still have the problem. Others will have the same problem and it can get fixed for everybody.

Do I like getting control ripped out of my hands? No, but I can see where MS is coming from.

[eschwartz]

I'm sorry, that post made no sense.

Were you responding to me?

[ApK]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

I'm sorry, that post made no sense.

Were you responding to me?

I got it. They spiked his Kool-Aid. He's One of Them now.

DT, no one is saying there isn't potential value to cloud-sync across devices, or that centralized data collection might not be a vital enabler of it.
We're saying we'd like the provider to be a bit more open about what data they are collecting and what they are going to do with it.

[wodin]

Originally Posted by ApK

... we'd like the provider to be a bit more open about what data they are collecting and what they are going to do with it.

It's the "what they are going to do with it" part that's my only concern, but then I use Google/Android/Amazon/Alexa so how concerned should I be about M$?

[AnotherCat]

Perhaps the complainers should try reading Microsoft's very extensive and detailed Privacy Statement. It is on their web site.

It sets out in considerable detail what is collected and how it is used for each of its products (including Windows 10 and store apps). Of course any such statement can be expanded upon with further detail, but the Microsoft one seems to include more than sufficient detail for those of us who do not have special needs such as being persons with high international public profiles.

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

You are not getting the point. Was just an example. Win10 is meant to be run on each and every device you own. Just so everything runs and looks the same. Why they have universal apps...

Unfortunately I think you are on a losing streak DuckieTigger trying to explain that here.

As it would seem from the reactions that some are not familiar with (and perhaps do not want to be, or are never going to be familiar with) Microsoft's objectives with respect to automatic fluidity of data across multiple devices.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by ApK

I got it. They spiked his Kool-Aid. He's One of Them now.

No, I'm just not sure what one had to do with another.

I was musing upon the difference between fundamentally-cloud-based systems and non fundamentally-cloud-based systems, telemetry vs. core functionality.

Then I got back something about cross-hardware compatibility, forced updates, and possibly also reproducible builds.


I genuinely have no idea where he is going with that, but it doesn't seem to be pointed at anything I said...

[ApK]

Originally Posted by AnotherCat

Perhaps the complainers should try reading Microsoft's very extensive and detailed Privacy Statement. It is on their web site.

Yeah, cuz THAT'S what the billions of consumers who got GWX pushed in their face should be expected to do....

[ApK]

Originally Posted by AnotherCat

Unfortunately I think you are on a losing streak DuckieTigger trying to explain that here.

As it would seem from the reactions that some are not familiar with (and perhaps do not want to be, or are never going to be familiar with) Microsoft's objectives with respect to automatic fluidity of data across multiple devices.

Hello? Hello? <tap tap> Is this thing on? Everyone gets it. Not the issue.

[AnotherCat]

Apk:

Thank you for your responses, as their nature confirms to me in a clear and succinct manner my suspicions about the inability of some to knowledgeably contribute to discussion.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

No, I'm just not sure what one had to do with another.

I was musing upon the difference between fundamentally-cloud-based systems and non fundamentally-cloud-based systems, telemetry vs. core functionality.

Then I got back something about cross-hardware compatibility, forced updates, and possibly also reproducible builds.


I genuinely have no idea where he is going with that, but it doesn't seem to be pointed at anything I said...

*sigh*

It is a take it or leave it deal. Don't like the whole package, then don't use Windows. Simple as that. And it is that simple. Don't tell me you didn't see that coming. Whoever didn't see it coming by the time that internet / phone activation became necessary is delusional.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by AnotherCat

Perhaps the complainers should try reading Microsoft's very extensive and detailed Privacy Statement. It is on their web site.

It sets out in considerable detail what is collected and how it is used for each of its products (including Windows 10 and store apps). Of course any such statement can be expanded upon with further detail, but the Microsoft one seems to include more than sufficient detail for those of us who do not have special needs such as being persons with high international public profiles.

Yes, I am afraid you are right.

Cannot argue with consiracy fanatics that blindly believe Forbes that the information is not available or not in enough detail.