avoiding Sigil's meta in content.opf - Page 2

KevinH · 01-06-2016, 10:29 PM

Hi eschwartz,
No toning down, just typo fixs because I had two ending parentheses.

That said, I am simply tired of Sigil threads requesting help being pushed off topic to things that are not Sigil related. We asked you once before to please stop doing that. I personally do not answer calibre threads asking for help with things that are related to Sigil or any tool. So I am asking you again, to please refrain from doing that in Sigil threads. As I said earlier, I don't mind Calibre being mentioned once since many times it may be the right or easiest solution, but when there are 4 (5 now) posts from you in this thread when the OP has posted once or twice, it makes things harder to actually help the person asking for Sigil help.

KevinH

Toxaris · 01-07-2016, 04:19 AM

You could also use a program like TweakePUB. It will leave the ePUB intact and you can edit the OPF in for example notepad. However, be aware that changing the opf can be tricky.

Also, where is the line? Calibre adds a whole lot of metadata for its own good, even its own URI sometimes in the metadata tag. I personally always add the Calibre series tag, but I like to keep it at that.

I don't mind Sigil adding metadata about the version used. I do mind (a little) the metadata with the modification date. I do hope that in the next version also the non-DC metadata show up in the metadata editor though.

Jellby · 01-07-2016, 06:12 AM

If you know how to use a text editor like vim or emacs (I guess they're available for Mac), it's easy to edit files inside the epub, without decompressing.

BetterRed · 01-07-2016, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

If you know how to use a text editor like vim or emacs (I guess they're available for Mac), it's easy to edit files inside the epub, without decompressing.

I do similar with WinRAR and Notepad++. The editing occurs in a temp file, WinRAR detects file has changed (when it's saved in NP++) and invites one to replace the file in the EPUB. I use it to clean the dross from the opf and other 'little' tasks.

BR

rubeus · 01-07-2016, 08:53 AM

But htis is not done without decompressing. Just because you didnt invoked it does not mean its not decompressed (and after finishing compresed and inserted again). But i'm in doubt Jelby is really editing the epub in Hex...

eschwartz · 01-07-2016, 10:54 AM

®all,

KevinH has already explicitly said that referencing non-Sigil tools in the Sigil forum is absolutely unacceptable if a Sigil solution exists (and even if there isn't one, you may only post once).

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinH

[...] I am simply tired of Sigil threads requesting help being pushed off topic to things that are not Sigil related. [...] it makes things harder to actually help the person asking for Sigil help.

KevinH

Please cease and desist. Immediately.

KevinH · 01-07-2016, 11:11 AM

eschwartz,
I have tried to be polite... As I said earlier, I don't mind people giving non-Sigil solutions to Sigil problems, especially if they are good ones. I just don't want Sigil threads that ask for help to be hijacked by multiple posts all from the same person all espousing the same non-Sigil solution. Is that really too much to ask for? No one here other than you has done that. And you have done so repeatedly, even after I asked you to please stop.

KevinH

Moderators please help me out here. Am I being too harsh or is trying to keep a Sigil thread asking for help about Sigil actually on-topic about Sigil too much to ask?

eschwartz · 01-07-2016, 11:25 AM

If it isn't on-topic then it certainly wouldn't be the only one...

I don't get upset when a thread in the Kindle forum actually transforms wholesale into a thread about which Kobo to buy.
I am a Kindle moderator, too.

DiapDealer · 01-07-2016, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschwartz

If it isn't on-topic then it certainly wouldn't be the only one...

I don't get upset when a thread in the Kindle forum actually transforms wholesale into a thread about which Kobo to buy.
I am a Kindle moderator, too.

Your bailiwick; your perogative. We're the moderators here, though. And we don't like it. It's not the referencing of non-Sigil tools we object to. It's the continued persistence of one person's attempt to espouse a single non-Sigil tool--repeatedly--for every problem a user comes to these Sigil forums to find help for. It's not a Sigil vs calibre thing--we're not that shallow. It's the borderline prosyletizing for the same piece of software for every problem, every time. You're like a broken record.

KevinH · 01-07-2016, 01:05 PM

Hi sbin,

If you can wait a couple of weeks for the next Sigil version, I will post a sample-epub-output-plugin_v010.zip for other plugin developers to use as a model for making their own epub output plugins for Sigil.

It also just happens to remove the "Sigil version" meta ;-)

It will also properly obfuscate any embedded fonts you may have in your ebook.

fyi: Because of your request, I found some bugs in the apparently never-before-used plugin font mangling code, which won't be fixed until the next Sigil release, so your request actually helped out Sigil! Thank you!

If you do not use embedded fonts, then please try Doitsu's plugin (posted earlier in this thread) and it should do the job now (and if not, please let us know and we can fix it if need be easily).

Hope this helps, and sorry for the noise on your help request.

KevinH

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbin

Thanks everyone.

I don't have the programming skills required to build plugins or anything else.
I might get the job done with just a regular expression if I had a software that could operate inside epub files. But on the Mac I have at my workplace I can only use indesign and not much else (I've been allowed to install sigil and textwrangler because they're free).

I'm lucky that they don't sell them, otherwise it'd be a sure bet

sbin · 01-08-2016, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinH

If you can wait a couple of weeks for the next Sigil version, I will post a sample-epub-output-plugin_v010.zip for other plugin developers to use as a model for making their own epub output plugins for Sigil.

It also just happens to remove the "Sigil version" meta ;-)

I've done the decompress-fix-recompress routine for a long time, I can continue to do so for a few weeks more (also, I don't have much time at work to experiment). Thank you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinH

Because of your request, I found some bugs in the apparently never-before-used plugin font mangling code, which won't be fixed until the next Sigil release, so your request actually helped out Sigil! Thank you!

I'm very glad to hear that. I do feel a bit guilty for coming here mostly when I have an issue to fix, while I could probably help out many users instead. So I'm very happy if I've been any help, albeit indirectly

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01-06-2016, 10:29 PM	#16
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 9,072 Karma: 6361556 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	Hi eschwartz, No toning down, just typo fixs because I had two ending parentheses. That said, I am simply tired of Sigil threads requesting help being pushed off topic to things that are not Sigil related. We asked you once before to please stop doing that. I personally do not answer calibre threads asking for help with things that are related to Sigil or any tool. So I am asking you again, to please refrain from doing that in Sigil threads. As I said earlier, I don't mind Calibre being mentioned once since many times it may be the right or easiest solution, but when there are 4 (5 now) posts from you in this thread when the OP has posted once or twice, it makes things harder to actually help the person asking for Sigil help. KevinH

01-07-2016, 04:19 AM	#17
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	You could also use a program like TweakePUB. It will leave the ePUB intact and you can edit the OPF in for example notepad. However, be aware that changing the opf can be tricky. Also, where is the line? Calibre adds a whole lot of metadata for its own good, even its own URI sometimes in the metadata tag. I personally always add the Calibre series tag, but I like to keep it at that. I don't mind Sigil adding metadata about the version used. I do mind (a little) the metadata with the modification date. I do hope that in the next version also the non-DC metadata show up in the metadata editor though.

01-07-2016, 06:12 AM	#18
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	If you know how to use a text editor like vim or emacs (I guess they're available for Mac), it's easy to edit files inside the epub, without decompressing.

01-07-2016, 08:53 AM	#20
rubeus Banned Posts: 272 Karma: 1224588 Join Date: Sep 2014 Device: Sony PRS 650	But htis is not done without decompressing. Just because you didnt invoked it does not mean its not decompressed (and after finishing compresed and inserted again). But i'm in doubt Jelby is really editing the epub in Hex...

01-07-2016, 11:11 AM	#22
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 9,072 Karma: 6361556 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	eschwartz, I have tried to be polite... As I said earlier, I don't mind people giving non-Sigil solutions to Sigil problems, especially if they are good ones. I just don't want Sigil threads that ask for help to be hijacked by multiple posts all from the same person all espousing the same non-Sigil solution. Is that really too much to ask for? No one here other than you has done that. And you have done so repeatedly, even after I asked you to please stop. KevinH Moderators please help me out here. Am I being too harsh or is trying to keep a Sigil thread asking for help about Sigil actually on-topic about Sigil too much to ask?

01-07-2016, 11:25 AM	#23
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	If it isn't on-topic then it certainly wouldn't be the only one... I don't get upset when a thread in the Kindle forum actually transforms wholesale into a thread about which Kobo to buy. I am a Kindle moderator, too.