Sony Digital Paper DPT-S1 Owner's Thread

[ManDay]

Originally Posted by 88%

I've been wanting a full sized ereader since about 2005 and I'm seriously thinking of picking one of these up. I've been doing my research, but I still have a few questions that I was hoping an owner could answer for me:

1) After opening a pdf marked up with the DPTS1 on the desktop can you choose to "print without markup" or further edit the markups? I was watching a review on goodereader that said that all edits made with the DPTS1 are permanent. Unfortunately, this would be a deal breaker for me.

There is no such option. The annotations are part of the PDF and can only be removed by means of editing the PDF either on your PC (which is more or less easy, depending on your background) or in the usual way (eraser) when you put them onto the DPT-S1. If you don't want to "spoil" the PDF, you can just keep an unannotated copy around.

2) When opening a pdf marked up with the DPTS1 on the desktop what color are the highlights?

Black is Blue and Gray is Red. [Edit: Highlights are cyan, if I'm not mistaken]

3) If highlights are made on the desktop, are they readable on the DPTS1? Right now I highlight in blue on the desktop so that I can read my highlights when printed with a B&W laser.

The DPT-S1 can read conforming PDFs, so if your desktop annotation application produces a conforming PDF (including highlights), the DPT-S1 will be able to display it. In doubt, upload one of your PDFs and I will try.

4) Is there an underline tool besides the freehand tool?

Thanks so much to anyone who is able to spare a minute to answer.

Nope. There is only hightlight and freehand (plus sticky notes and annotations).

[88%]

Thanks so much for the fast answer! You just saved me $800!

Originally Posted by ManDay

There is no such option. The annotations are part of the PDF and can only be removed by means of editing the PDF either on your PC (which is more or less easy, depending on your background) or in the usual way (eraser) when you put them onto the DPT-S1. If you don't want to "spoil" the PDF, you can just keep an unannotated copy around.

This is surprising and more than a little disappointing. I had been under the impression that pdf embedded soft annotations were standard. Right now I make all my annotations using Acrobat, and then print my copy with the markup and one clean copy to submit to the Court. While I appreciate your suggestion of keeping a separate clean copy around, it would just slow my workflow down too much.

Thanks again.

[ManDay]

Originally Posted by 88%

Thanks so much for the fast answer! You just saved me $800!



This is surprising and more than a little disappointing. I had been under the impression that pdf embedded soft annotations were standard. Right now I make all my annotations using Acrobat, and then print my copy with the markup and one clean copy to submit to the Court. While I appreciate your suggestion of keeping a separate clean copy around, it would just slow my workflow down too much.

Thanks again.

I might not understand your requirement correctly. Could you elaborate on your current workflow? You mean that the annotations produced with Acrobat (and you'd expect the same from the DPT-S1) can somehow be "disabled" for printing? How does that work? And in how far does this become a feature of the PDF, technically speaking? Is it that such a PDF has embedded Javascript and an embedded button "disable annotations" which then will hide all annotations when you click it (I suspect it's not like that, but just to illustrate my ignorance)?

As a remark, I don't particularly see how just keeping a second copy (which you never use unless you want to print clean) slows down your workflow, but of course it might be a matter of taste.

[Klerelo]

I don't catch the issue with the keeping of a second clean copy either? You may just keep it aside in the internal memory or the SD card of your reader, this does not matter. How does it slow down your workflow in any way?

Well, I live in Switzerland and am a lawyer. I am currently studying a lot (preparation to bar exams) and this device is fantastic! I have received it yesterday (it arrived in less than 48 hours from the US, see), and it will sure become a vital instrument to me. I love its sleek design, its light weight, the high page turn speed, the quality of the display, the smoothness of the writing (I do write fast but the lag is negligible) and also the fact that it is made in Japan.

I own a Nook Glowlight Plus with 300ppi screen resolution, so the pixelisation on the Sony is noticeable from a close distance, but it really doesn't bother me at all. It is so much more convenient to read on such a A4 tablet than any other device, incl. iPad Pro or other similar black-lit screen.

The only cons so far:

1) I failed to sync with box.com, even if I scrupulously followed the instructions given in a previous post, and this is a bit annoying;
2) The lanscape mode is... dumb;
3) The back is already full of fingerprints;
4) The surface is not 100% flat, just like it was initially rolled and then flatened when they installed the screen in the device - but this does not interfere with the writing (I love the feeling, altough I am a Wacom Cintiq 13HD user since years - there is no layer between the tip of the pen and the eink surface, so there is no pen "lag").

In short, it is the best and most useful purchase I have made this year, my eyes will say thank you to Sony (and my printer, too!).

[svosg13]

Actually the annotation is standard. Sony has purchased their Adobe PDF license thus all annotation/freestyle writing are PDF standard.

See this image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/emxxulsl3t...26-39.png?dl=0

On the print dialog in Adobe PDF, you can just select "Document Only"in the "Comments and Forms" section and the annotation (in blue) on the document will not be printed.

Bad news for your intention to save $800

Originally Posted by 88%

Thanks so much for the fast answer! You just saved me $800!



This is surprising and more than a little disappointing. I had been under the impression that pdf embedded soft annotations were standard. Right now I make all my annotations using Acrobat, and then print my copy with the markup and one clean copy to submit to the Court. While I appreciate your suggestion of keeping a separate clean copy around, it would just slow my workflow down too much.

Thanks again.

[pacolepain]

At last! the new 1.5 firmware is available for the U.S. version!

Happy Christmas!!

http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=DPTS1

[Klerelo]

Originally Posted by pacolepain

At last! the new 1.5 firmware is available for the U.S. version!

Happy Christmas!!

http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=DPTS1

Ho Ho Ho, thanks for the info! I have just manually installed the update (it was impossible OTA) but do you know what are the improvements made? I can't tell.

[T.W.G]

It looks like you can now share your Dpt-s1 display through a computer while still being able to work with it. Have a look at the additional Sony Software:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-do...os_group_id=27

That sounds awesome! But I want to know what's new on the Dpt-s1, too. :-)

[rem736]

Originally Posted by T.W.G

It looks like you can now share your Dpt-s1 display through a computer while still being able to work with it. Have a look at the additional Sony Software:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-do...os_group_id=27

That sounds awesome! But I want to know what's new on the Dpt-s1, too. :-)

wow...now if they are able to provide software that does the opposite (show computer dispolay on dpt-s1) or use dpt-s1 as an additional display, that would be the bomb.

[rem736]

Originally Posted by Klerelo

Ho Ho Ho, thanks for the info! I have just manually installed the update (it was impossible OTA) but do you know what are the improvements made? I can't tell.

cut/copy/paste is one additional feature. they also added the ability to update the time through an ntp server. there's a new user guide for 1.5.5.0. download and look through it at your leisure.

[ManDay]

Yey! Thanks pacolepain, great chrismas gift that is! As far a I recall, the 1.5 version had an additional line-width (extra bold). Looking most forward to that!

[ManDay]

"Check for Updates" on the reader claims my 1.3.50 version of the firmware was the most recent version. The "PC Update" is a Windows "EXE" file which I can not run on my computer. Any suggestions what to do?

Edit: I got help from someone with a Windows computer and am enjoying the new firmware now The new thick pen and copy & paste are great. So is the option to choose a template each time a notebook is created! Great updates!

[rkomar]

Originally Posted by ManDay

"Check for Updates" on the reader claims my 1.3.50 version of the firmware was the most recent version. The "PC Update" is a Windows "EXE" file which I can not run on my computer. Any suggestions what to do?

Perhaps Sony has some instructions somewhere on how to deal with that. For their T1 model, the windows EXE was a self-inflating zip file. You could unzip it yourself, copy one of the files inside to a specific folder on your reader, and then hold down some keys when rebooting. Maybe they did the DPT-S1 firmware a similar way.

[ManDay]

Originally Posted by rkomar

Perhaps Sony has some instructions somewhere on how to deal with that. For their T1 model, the windows EXE was a self-inflating zip file. You could unzip it yourself, copy one of the files inside to a specific folder on your reader, and then hold down some keys when rebooting. Maybe they did the DPT-S1 firmware a similar way.

Out of curiousity, I just tried and "unzip" does indeed work on the exe. However, I wouldn't know what file(s) to copy. Presumably the ".package" file being the largest, but I suspect it has to be renamed somehow...

76K ./prsusb.dll
340K ./msvcr71.dll
336K ./msvcr70.dll
4.0K ./kconfig.xml
12K ./FskPower.dll
24K ./FskinLocalize.dll
228K ./Fskin.dll
124K ./FskImage.dll
68K ./FskCore.xsb
860K ./fsk.dll
8.0K ./eBookUpdater.xsb
8.0K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/updater.xml
12K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/main.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/locale.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/license.xml
20K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/languages/en/licenseAgreement.txt
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/languages/en/language.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/languages/en/assets.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/scripts/languages/default
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/eBookUpdater.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/PRSVersion.dat
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/PRSModelName.dat
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/PRSIcons.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/notificationAssets.png
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/EbookDevice.png
120K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/connectBackground.jpg
24K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/connectAssets.xml
56K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/connectAssets.png
8.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/check.png
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/behaviors/revealHideBehavior.xml
4.0K ./eBookUpdater/assets/updaterAssets/behaviors/buttonBehavior.xml
12K ./eBookMSCDeviceUpdater.dll
136M ./DPT-S1 Updater.package
300K ./DPT-S1 Updater.exe

[88%]

Originally Posted by svosg13

On the print dialog in Adobe PDF, you can just select "Document Only"in the "Comments and Forms" section and the annotation (in blue) on the document will not be printed.

^^^THIS!!!

This is great news! Thanks so much. It would've only been a waste of $800 for me if it didn't fit into my workflow.

I expect I'll have more questions after my DPTS1 arrives.

Thanks to everyone who commented.

Note: More than one person has expressed curiosity about my workflow - specifically why I can't just keep two copies of the pdfs I use. While It probably won't be of interest to most on this thread, I feel that I should at least be as courteous as everyone here who has been kind enough to answer my questions for me. The short answer is that I've a strong affinity for ruthless efficiency. The long answer is below.

Currently a good part of my work is dealing with interlocutory matters - exciting stuff, I know </sarcasm>. Any legislation or case law I ever read gets annotated and added to an indexed database. When I need to prepare for an upcoming appearance, I go through the database, further annotating the pdfs if necessary and pulling the relevant pieces I need to build my case along my way. I may be pulling entire cases, or I may be pulling pages from specific pieces of legislation. Usually a combination of the two. I combine these pieces into a separate pdf which I use for the specific appearance. I can be pulling up to 15 sources from thousands of pages of material.The night before making my appearance I print multiple copies of the case specific pdf - one copy with annotations, for my reference, and the remaining clean copies for the Court and opposing counsel.

I admit that if I simply kept fresh duplicates of all my pdfs it wouldn't take too much time to use the annotated case specific pdf as a guide to create a clean copy. Maybe an extra 10-15 minutes. I would also need to keep a separate database, but I this would be little more than a slight annoyance. The issue is that I do this all the time. I just don't feel that I can justify the convenience of a technology if it's going to cost me time in the long run.

My new workflow will hopefully look similar, except for two distinct changes:
I will only print the clean copies. My annotated copies will be on the DPTS1. (From what I've read, the DPTS1 is rock solid - I shouldn't have any reason to fear a glitch will make me lose my notes mid application)
On a sunny day, research can be done under a tree in the park, instead of in my office staring at a monitor. (I really like this one!)