GOODEREADER announces crowd-funded 'ULTIMATE 6" EINK READER'! - Page 8

murg · 10-26-2015, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Low blow.
Fox news has standards.

Low standards...

HarryT · 10-26-2015, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by murg

Low standards...

Low standards, certainly, but unlike GoodEReader, they've never (to my knowledge) been a front for a commercial piracy operation.

Canuck_in_Japan · 10-26-2015, 08:43 AM

I wouldn't buy it just because the people that run it are just plain dumb. And I wouldn't trust them to deliver.

Canuck_in_Japan · 10-26-2015, 08:53 AM

I don't like the look of that ereader at all. Why so much bezel at the bottom of the reader? Also, why use indiegogo and not Kickstarter? If they don't meet their goal on Kickstarter then no one loses any money. But on indiegogo they get to keep any funds that are donated. There's no way they're making their goal of $220,000. What happens if they only raise $10-15,000? There's no way they're going to produce an ereader with that. Have they said what will happen in that instance? Will they refund everyone's money?

meeera · 10-26-2015, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

I don't like the look of that ereader at all. Why so much bezel at the bottom of the reader? Also, why use indiegogo and not Kickstarter? If they don't meet their goal on Kickstarter then no one loses any money. But on indiegogo they get to keep any funds that are donated. There's no way they're making their goal of $220,000. What happens if they only raise $10-15,000? There's no way they're going to produce an ereader with that. Have they said what will happen in that instance? Will they refund everyone's money?

Apparently they have said they'll try, but I wonder whether consumers have any recourse at all when it's this style of funding. So far there are fifteen backers.

I'll admit that there is a cynical part of me that wonders whether this is why they chose indiegogo. Caveat emptor, that's all I'm gonna say. (What's the closest Latin equivalent for "crowdfunding backers"? )

Rizla · 10-26-2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Rizla, you asked the very reasonable question, before you edited your post, why it is that people dislike GoodEReader. The answer is that they used to be a front for the very worst kind of pirate book site: the sort which charge people money to download pirated books. See:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85235

They may perhaps have cleaned up their act but the old saying that a leopard doesn't change its spots applies, and many people have serious qualms about their business ethics due to their shady past.

Thank you for the clarification.

eschwartz · 10-26-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

GoodEreader is the Fox News of the tech blogs.

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Low blow.
Fox news has standards.

Jon -- don't you think that's rather unfair to Fox News?

Cinisajoy · 10-26-2015, 11:05 AM

Why am I probably smelling snake oil? Though this is not the strangest crowd funding I have seen.

Purple Lady · 10-26-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

I don't like the look of that ereader at all. Why so much bezel at the bottom of the reader? Also, why use indiegogo and not Kickstarter? If they don't meet their goal on Kickstarter then no one loses any money. But on indiegogo they get to keep any funds that are donated. There's no way they're making their goal of $220,000. What happens if they only raise $10-15,000? There's no way they're going to produce an ereader with that. Have they said what will happen in that instance? Will they refund everyone's money?

I just looked at the site and they are using "Flexible Funding". Aka we are keeping your money.

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HarryT · 10-26-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

I just looked at the site and they are using "Flexible Funding". Aka we are keeping your money.

Yes, that's been pointed out several times (though always worth pointing out again!).

eschwartz · 10-26-2015, 11:36 AM

Possibly also worth pointing out -- they could have chosen fixed funding.

But they state that if they don't raise the full amount they asked for, they will still go through with the campaign -- they just won't get as good a deal or something.

If they decide they didn't raise enough money, they will voluntarily give refunds.

...

Leaves a lot of room for "accidents" and "miscalculation", if you ask me.
They could've asked for the minimum amount needed to commit to going forward, at least.

Canuck_in_Japan · 10-26-2015, 11:37 AM

It looks like their "ultimate" goal is to sell 4,000 eReaders. They're hoping for 220,000 dollars which is around 1150 readers. At their current pace they seem to be heading towards a total of... 260. Unless production of electronic goods is far easier than I imagine, I don't see any possibility of companies filling an order of 260 units.
They tout their own app store app but it doesn't seem to be available anymore and what they do have on the Android app store seems like amateur hour. They have a Good Ereader news app that is poorly reviewed and an app that let's you shop at their store which only has a hundred downloads and one five star review which is from ONE OF THE GOODEREADER GUYS! Does anyone seriously want to risk almost 200 bucks on this fantasy?

Purple Lady · 10-26-2015, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes, that's been pointed out several times (though always worth pointing out again!).

Oops. A picture is worth a thousand words...

HarryT · 10-26-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

Oops. A picture is worth a thousand words...

No, it can't be stressed sufficiently that the funding model they're using here means that you don't get your money back if they fail to reach their funding target!

eschwartz · 10-26-2015, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No, it can't be stressed sufficiently that the funding model they're using here means that you don't get your money back if they fail to reach their funding target!

Now let's be fair, Harry.

You have Michael Kozlowski's personal promise that he will give back all the money if they fail to reach an adequate goal.

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10-26-2015, 08:43 AM	#108
Canuck_in_Japan Wizard Posts: 1,476 Karma: 14328611 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tokyo, Japan Device: Aura, Aura H2O, Kindle PW3	I wouldn't buy it just because the people that run it are just plain dumb. And I wouldn't trust them to deliver.

10-26-2015, 08:53 AM	#109
Canuck_in_Japan Wizard Posts: 1,476 Karma: 14328611 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tokyo, Japan Device: Aura, Aura H2O, Kindle PW3	I don't like the look of that ereader at all. Why so much bezel at the bottom of the reader? Also, why use indiegogo and not Kickstarter? If they don't meet their goal on Kickstarter then no one loses any money. But on indiegogo they get to keep any funds that are donated. There's no way they're making their goal of $220,000. What happens if they only raise $10-15,000? There's no way they're going to produce an ereader with that. Have they said what will happen in that instance? Will they refund everyone's money?

10-26-2015, 11:05 AM	#113
Cinisajoy Just a Yellow Smiley. Posts: 19,161 Karma: 83862859 Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Texas Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy	Why am I probably smelling snake oil? Though this is not the strangest crowd funding I have seen.

10-26-2015, 11:36 AM	#116
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Possibly also worth pointing out -- they could have chosen fixed funding. But they state that if they don't raise the full amount they asked for, they will still go through with the campaign -- they just won't get as good a deal or something. If they decide they didn't raise enough money, they will voluntarily give refunds. ... Leaves a lot of room for "accidents" and "miscalculation", if you ask me. They could've asked for the minimum amount needed to commit to going forward, at least.

10-26-2015, 11:37 AM	#117
Canuck_in_Japan Wizard Posts: 1,476 Karma: 14328611 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tokyo, Japan Device: Aura, Aura H2O, Kindle PW3	It looks like their "ultimate" goal is to sell 4,000 eReaders. They're hoping for 220,000 dollars which is around 1150 readers. At their current pace they seem to be heading towards a total of... 260. Unless production of electronic goods is far easier than I imagine, I don't see any possibility of companies filling an order of 260 units. They tout their own app store app but it doesn't seem to be available anymore and what they do have on the Android app store seems like amateur hour. They have a Good Ereader news app that is poorly reviewed and an app that let's you shop at their store which only has a hundred downloads and one five star review which is from ONE OF THE GOODEREADER GUYS! Does anyone seriously want to risk almost 200 bucks on this fantasy?