MobileRead October 2015 Discussion: Kidnapped (spoilers)

WT Sharpe · 10-19-2015, 10:25 PM

The time has come to discuss the October 2015 MobileRead Book Club selection, Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stevenson. What did you think?

Dazrin · 10-20-2015, 01:09 AM

I have about 30% left to complete still, but I have enjoyed what I have read so far. It took quite a while for me to get used to the archaic language but now I am enjoying it.

I should have more thoughts when I am done and have time to "digest" it a little.

CRussel · 10-20-2015, 01:39 AM

This month snuck up on me, and I've only just started. Bad Charlie. Bad.

WT Sharpe · 10-20-2015, 09:00 AM

I thought this would be easier to read than it was, so I waited too long to start. I find I'm constantly having to stop and look up word definitions, sometimes on the Internet because my ereader has no definition for the word in question. Sometimes even the Internet can't help. This book would drive me absolutely bonkers in paper. One nice thing is the links Paul has added in the book to definitions of some of the more archaic words, but I'm still having to look words up on every page. I'm currently little more than halfway through.

issybird · 10-20-2015, 09:06 AM

I'm almost done. I'll just say for now that it's obviously one of those books that's flat-out wonderful if you get to it at the right age. I would have lapped this up at ten or eleven*; it's the kind of book I wouldn't have been able to tear myself from until finished. It makes me wish I were reading buddies with a middle-schooler.

And that's meant as praise, not criticism! I bring different things to it as an adult first-timer, but it's still a great read.

*I think when I was a kid that books, especially the classics, were classed into girls' books and boys' books. Girls were lucky in that we had a little more latitude to stray into the boys' bibliography, but sadly Stevenson, except for the poetry, didn't cross my horizon. But it's more for me to read now; I'm especially enjoying his travelogues.

pdurrant · 10-20-2015, 09:58 AM

What I love about the book is the relationship between Davie and Alan. And the way they each have their failings, despite also being excellent fellows.

The various film adaptions have never done it justice, I feel. And I'm not sure it's possible for them to do so, it being so much told from Davie's inner point of view.

I'm surprised to find that several people have found the language makes their reading slow. I'd be interested in a list of problematic words/phrases so that I can update my versions with extra glossary items.

Dazrin · 10-21-2015, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

What I love about the book is the relationship between Davie and Alan. And the way they each have their failings, despite also being excellent fellows.

I agree, their relationship really was what held this story together.

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The various film adaptions have never done it justice, I feel. And I'm not sure it's possible for them to do so, it being so much told from Davie's inner point of view.

I haven't seen the movies and really went into this with a clean slate, which may or may not have been an advantage to me. I agree with issybird that at the right age this could have been the perfect book (at least if the language was easier).

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I'm surprised to find that several people have found the language makes their reading slow. I'd be interested in a list of problematic words/phrases so that I can update my versions with extra glossary items.

I wish I had highlighted some of them as I was going through but I didn't and if I were to go back through it now many of them wouldn't jump out at me again. I suspect it would be easier to follow for someone who has read more books from this time period and location although I may go looking for some non-fiction to help me understand more about what was going on. Being from the USA our history classes were very much limited to what was going on here in the mid 1700s and the rest of the world was pretty much ignored or consisted of "people came to the new world from [places] because [things]..." and had little to no detail.

fantasyfan · 10-22-2015, 06:37 AM

What a glorious adventure story this book is!

I absolutely loved it. The characters are astonishingly vivid and memorable--not only David and Alan but even rhose who play a more transient role such as the various individuals the duo meet on their travels. The rugged Scottish Highland landscape is almost a character in itself and plays no small part in the activities and adventures of the pair. Both the kidnap plot and the murder of the Red Fox have roots in actual events but Stevenson has merged them into a magnificent srory. Only the ambiguous ending was a drawback for me, but Stevenson was obviously preparing for a sequel which he wrote a few years later.

HarryT · 10-22-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

I thought this would be easier to read than it was, so I waited too long to start. I find I'm constantly having to stop and look up word definitions, sometimes on the Internet because my ereader has no definition for the word in question.

Can you give a few examples of the words that aren't familiar to you? I'd be very interested to know what they are.

issybird · 10-22-2015, 09:01 AM

I agree with everyone that the relationship between Alan and Davie drove the book. I liked how Stevenson was willing to portray them with all their faults, too; it wasn't an idealized relationship with stock characters. Going into it, I expected Alan Breck to be a figure of high romance; instead he was small, pockmarked (and I learned that "breck" means pockmarked) and vain, while Davie was still a boy, with a boy's rush to judgment. Their relationship served as an allegory, perhaps, for how Highlanders and Lowlanders could and should forge a relationship. I know that Breck's being an easy forgetter had a lot in common with Mr. Rankeillor's ability to lose his spectacles! I also love Stevenson's art in describing a landscape; I'm working my way slowly through his travelogues.

The beginning and end dragged a bit. They almost had to, compared to the excitement of the roundhouse battle and the flight through the heather. If I had read it as a kid, I don't think I would have been so impatient for Davie to get a clue about his wicked Uncle Ebenezer. And the wrap-up dragged as they always do, but I think Stevenson made the best of things as it came before the confrontation with Davie's uncle.

I look forward to moving on to Catriona.

WT Sharpe · 10-22-2015, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Can you give a few examples of the words that aren't familiar to you? I'd be very interested to know what they are.

Here are just a few quick ones: jackanapes, siller, clachan, bouman, cushat-dove, nainsel, muirs, possets, gillie, collops, driegh, drammach, braw, brose, and sporran. There are many, many more such examples to be found, including just about all the ones defined by Paul in the appendix.

pdurrant · 10-23-2015, 08:42 AM

Since I have two sporrans tucked away upstairs (an everyday one and a semi-formal one), it's hard to remember that some people won't know what one is!

But thanks for the list - perhaps I'll find time to revisit my glossary.

HarryT · 10-23-2015, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Here are just a few quick ones: jackanapes, siller, clachan, bouman, cushat-dove, nainsel, muirs, possets, gillie, collops, driegh, drammach, braw, brose, and sporran. There are many, many more such examples to be found, including just about all the ones defined by Paul in the appendix.

OK, so it's mainly Scots dialect words. Understandable that they wouldn't be familiar to you; most of the words on your list wouldn't be understood by the majority of British people, either, although a few would. I'd say that "jackanapes", "gillie", and "sporran" are relatively common words, but the rest assuredly aren't.

issybird · 10-23-2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

Since I have two sporrans tucked away upstairs (an everyday one and a semi-formal one), it's hard to remember that some people won't know what one is!

And why is your everyday sporran tucked away upstairs? Aren't you sporting it everyday? Is it big enough for your ereader?

pdurrant · 10-23-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by issybird

And why is your everyday sporran tucked away upstairs? Aren't you sporting it everyday? Is it big enough for your ereader?

Well, it's an 'everyday' sporran in that it's the one I usually wear with my kilt, but I also usually only wear my kilt once a week, and 'everyweek' doesn't sound quite right.

And yes, a sporran is big enough for an ereader, but it normally just has a bit of cash and my car keys.

10-19-2015, 10:25 PM	#1
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,072 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	October 2015 Discussion: Kidnapped (spoilers) The time has come to discuss the October 2015 MobileRead Book Club selection, Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stevenson. What did you think? Last edited by WT Sharpe; 10-19-2015 at 11:38 PM.

10-22-2015, 06:37 AM	#8
fantasyfan Wizard Posts: 1,376 Karma: 28116892 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ireland Device: Kindle Oasis 3, iPad 9th gen. IPhone 11	What a glorious adventure story this book is! I absolutely loved it. The characters are astonishingly vivid and memorable--not only David and Alan but even rhose who play a more transient role such as the various individuals the duo meet on their travels. The rugged Scottish Highland landscape is almost a character in itself and plays no small part in the activities and adventures of the pair. Both the kidnap plot and the murder of the Red Fox have roots in actual events but Stevenson has merged them into a magnificent srory. Only the ambiguous ending was a drawback for me, but Stevenson was obviously preparing for a sequel which he wrote a few years later. Last edited by fantasyfan; 10-22-2015 at 06:39 AM.

10-22-2015, 09:01 AM	#10
issybird o saeclum infacetum Posts: 21,214 Karma: 234570739 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New England Device: Mini, H2O, Glo HD, Aura One, PW4, PW5	I agree with everyone that the relationship between Alan and Davie drove the book. I liked how Stevenson was willing to portray them with all their faults, too; it wasn't an idealized relationship with stock characters. Going into it, I expected Alan Breck to be a figure of high romance; instead he was small, pockmarked (and I learned that "breck" means pockmarked) and vain, while Davie was still a boy, with a boy's rush to judgment. Their relationship served as an allegory, perhaps, for how Highlanders and Lowlanders could and should forge a relationship. I know that Breck's being an easy forgetter had a lot in common with Mr. Rankeillor's ability to lose his spectacles! I also love Stevenson's art in describing a landscape; I'm working my way slowly through his travelogues. The beginning and end dragged a bit. They almost had to, compared to the excitement of the roundhouse battle and the flight through the heather. If I had read it as a kid, I don't think I would have been so impatient for Davie to get a clue about his wicked Uncle Ebenezer. And the wrap-up dragged as they always do, but I think Stevenson made the best of things as it came before the confrontation with Davie's uncle. I look forward to moving on to Catriona. Last edited by issybird; 10-22-2015 at 09:03 AM.

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10-20-2015, 01:09 AM	#2
Dazrin Wizard Posts: 2,726 Karma: 75825105 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: PDXish Device: Kindle Voyage, various Android devices	I have about 30% left to complete still, but I have enjoyed what I have read so far. It took quite a while for me to get used to the archaic language but now I am enjoying it. I should have more thoughts when I am done and have time to "digest" it a little.

10-20-2015, 01:39 AM	#3
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,289 Karma: 80074820 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), iPad Air M3	This month snuck up on me, and I've only just started. Bad Charlie. Bad.

10-20-2015, 09:00 AM	#4
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,072 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	I thought this would be easier to read than it was, so I waited too long to start. I find I'm constantly having to stop and look up word definitions, sometimes on the Internet because my ereader has no definition for the word in question. Sometimes even the Internet can't help. This book would drive me absolutely bonkers in paper. One nice thing is the links Paul has added in the book to definitions of some of the more archaic words, but I'm still having to look words up on every page. I'm currently little more than halfway through.

10-20-2015, 09:06 AM	#5
issybird o saeclum infacetum Posts: 21,214 Karma: 234570739 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New England Device: Mini, H2O, Glo HD, Aura One, PW4, PW5	I'm almost done. I'll just say for now that it's obviously one of those books that's flat-out wonderful if you get to it at the right age. I would have lapped this up at ten or eleven; it's the kind of book I wouldn't have been able to tear myself from until finished. It makes me wish I were reading buddies with a middle-schooler. And that's meant as praise, not criticism! I bring different things to it as an adult first-timer, but it's still a great read. I think when I was a kid that books, especially the classics, were classed into girls' books and boys' books. Girls were lucky in that we had a little more latitude to stray into the boys' bibliography, but sadly Stevenson, except for the poetry, didn't cross my horizon. But it's more for me to read now; I'm especially enjoying his travelogues.

10-20-2015, 09:58 AM	#6
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 73,842 Karma: 315126578 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Oasis	What I love about the book is the relationship between Davie and Alan. And the way they each have their failings, despite also being excellent fellows. The various film adaptions have never done it justice, I feel. And I'm not sure it's possible for them to do so, it being so much told from Davie's inner point of view. I'm surprised to find that several people have found the language makes their reading slow. I'd be interested in a list of problematic words/phrases so that I can update my versions with extra glossary items.

10-23-2015, 08:42 AM	#12
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 73,842 Karma: 315126578 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Oasis	Since I have two sporrans tucked away upstairs (an everyday one and a semi-formal one), it's hard to remember that some people won't know what one is! But thanks for the list - perhaps I'll find time to revisit my glossary.