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zelda_pinwheel · 01-02-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

Really? Were no Huguenots aristocrats? Or descendant from aristocrats?

Dale

sorry, i meant rhetorical because i thought that if you had traced your ancestors so far, you must know precisely where that particule (de) came from.

DaleDe · 01-02-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

sorry, i meant rhetorical because i thought that if you had traced your ancestors so far, you must know precisely where that particule (de) came from.

No, just to a man named Robert DePriest born in 1665 in Paris, France from what I have been able to discern. I think the aristocracy in France was pretty much gone by that point and I have no way to go back further. I also have a Thomas Mims, born about 1620 in England. It is kind of fun chasing these things back.

Dale

Jellby · 01-03-2009, 03:45 AM

I don't know in French, but in Spanish the "de" does not always denote aristocracy (I'd say more often doesn't). It also means "from", so it was used in times when surnames were often just the town where someone's family came from, or the name of the father/mother.

D.I. Thomas · 01-03-2009, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

I don't know in French, but in Spanish the "de" does not always denote aristocracy (I'd say more often doesn't). It also means "from", so it was used in times when surnames were often just the town where someone's family came from, or the name of the father/mother.

Like Jean d'Arc? (Joan of Arc to us Brits, The Maid of Orleans to many).

Regards,

Ian.

DaleDe · 01-03-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

I don't know in French, but in Spanish the "de" does not always denote aristocracy (I'd say more often doesn't). It also means "from", so it was used in times when surnames were often just the town where someone's family came from, or the name of the father/mother.

I had always heard that in French it was "of" similar to "from". Actually Zelda's comment was the first time I had heard it was tied to aristocracy which was caused my comment in the first place. Oh well, I couldn't take the notoriety anyway I suppose

Dale

zelda_pinwheel · 01-03-2009, 10:57 AM

yes, "de" means of or from in french, when it is in a name as an independent word (i.e. like "de Noailles", not like "Dupont" which also means "from the bridge") it frequently indicates some sort of aristocracy as it can indicate that the name is a "grande famille" of a specific region. it doesn't *always* mean nobility, of course, but quite often it does. like in english, you have the "Duke of Sandwich" (or whatever) ; it's the same indication in french.

pilotbob · 01-03-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

it doesn't *always* mean nobility, of course, but quite often it does. like in english, you have the "Duke of Sandwich" (or whatever) ; it's the same indication in french.

Perhaps I should change my psuedo to PilotDeBob. Because I am noble.

BOb

zelda_pinwheel · 01-03-2009, 01:18 PM

you mean Pilot de Bob then.

pilotbob · 01-03-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

you mean Pilot de Bob then.

Yes. But, I don't think you can have spaces in pseudonyms here.

BOb

Nate the great · 01-03-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Yes. But, I don't think you can have spaces in pseudonyms here.

BOb

I can't? Shoot.

pilotbob · 01-03-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

I can't? Shoot.

Ok... BANG!!!

BOb

Madam Broshkina · 01-03-2009, 01:23 PM

Sure you can, I do it all the time.

pilotbob · 01-03-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

Sure you can, I do it all the time.

I guess my DOS roots are showing here. DOH!

BOb

CleverClothe · 01-03-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

I guess my DOS roots are showing here. DOH!

BOb

Yes, you need to continually atstain, otherwise your roots will show.

GeoffC · 01-04-2009, 09:03 AM

nothing wrong with DOS ... that a good dose of defrenestration couldn't cure ....

01-04-2009, 09:03 AM	#60
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	nothing wrong with DOS ... that a good dose of defrenestration couldn't cure .... Last edited by GeoffC; 01-04-2009 at 09:05 AM.

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01-03-2009, 03:45 AM	#48
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	I don't know in French, but in Spanish the "de" does not always denote aristocracy (I'd say more often doesn't). It also means "from", so it was used in times when surnames were often just the town where someone's family came from, or the name of the father/mother.

01-03-2009, 10:57 AM	#51
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	yes, "de" means of or from in french, when it is in a name as an independent word (i.e. like "de Noailles", not like "Dupont" which also means "from the bridge") it frequently indicates some sort of aristocracy as it can indicate that the name is a "grande famille" of a specific region. it doesn't always mean nobility, of course, but quite often it does. like in english, you have the "Duke of Sandwich" (or whatever) ; it's the same indication in french.

01-03-2009, 01:18 PM	#53
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	you mean Pilot de Bob then.

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Madam Broshkina Manic Do Fuse Posts: 2,312 Karma: 3325462 Join Date: Oct 2006 Device: Sony 500, 505, 350, Kindle 3, DXG, nook, Irex DR800SG, iPad	Sure you can, I do it all the time.