Which reader for iPhone 6/6s/Plus? - Page 3

johnnyb · 10-18-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

I'm running Kindle version 1.12.4 on my MacBook Pro in El Capitan and I can indeed COPY text. See the attached screenshot.

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Unfortunately, mine looks like this (no „kopieren“)...

jswinden · 10-18-2015, 11:25 AM

No telling what differences there are between the English version of the app and the various other language versions. Amazon is notorious for having different feature sets in their various Kindle apps. For example, the iOS app tends to get features before the Android app. So perhaps the development team for the German version has left out the copy feature. Also it might be a legal thing. Could it possibly have to do with German laws concerning copyright, etc.?

johnnyb · 10-18-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

No telling what differences there are between the English version of the app and the various other language versions. Amazon is notorious for having different feature sets in their various Kindle apps. For example, the iOS app tends to get features before the Android app. So perhaps the development team for the German version has left out the copy feature. Also it might be a legal thing. Could it possibly have to do with German laws concerning copyright, etc.?

The app file I am using is from amazon.com so I am pretty sure there are no differences as far as the file is concerned...
I have actually made inquiries to the US and the German support: the former, some time ago, told me that he'd forward my request to the developers (not knowing that it shouldn't be a problem) the latter told me that the feature is intentionally not there for copyright reasons but was perplexed when I told him that the feature is there (I showed him your screenshot) and simply does not work for me (and never has)... He went on to tell me that he'd forward this to the developers but that he was unable to supply me with any information as to the specifics of why copying was possible for some users but not for others...

jswinden · 10-18-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyb

The app file I am using is from amazon.com so I am pretty sure there are no differences as far as the file is concerned...
I have actually made inquiries to the US and the German support: the former, some time ago, told me that he'd forward my request to the developers (not knowing that it shouldn't be a problem) the latter told me that the feature is intentionally not there for copyright reasons but was perplexed when I told him that the feature is there (I showed him your screenshot) and simply does not work for me (and never has)... He went on to tell me that he'd forward this to the developers but that he was unable to supply me with any information as to the specifics of why copying was possible for some users but not for others...

Okay that answers my question then, assuming the CS guy knew what he is talking about, and that is not always the case! On the German version it sounds like Amazon disabled or didn't include the COPY feature due to German laws. International trade is extremely complicated, complex, and convoluted, to say the least. Amazon has to be careful not to go against local laws in places where it does business, just like any other multi-national company. Is there any way you can download the English version from the USA site?

ETA: Since this is a freeware app, if someone has the English/USA version of the DMG (install) file, perhaps you could get that from them. But even that might not be legal in Germany or wherever you reside, so you need to check first.

FlorenceArt · 10-18-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyb

Unfortunately, mine looks like this (no „kopieren“)...

Oh, sorry, I thought you said that copy was possible on Mac but not on iOS. I made my test on my iPad. I don't have the Mac version.

jswinden · 10-18-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FlorenceArt

Oh, sorry, I thought you said that copy was possible on Mac but not on iOS. I made my test on my iPad. I don't have the Mac version.

The Mac app does allow COPY at least in the USA version of the app. See my earlier post with a screenshot.

johnnyb · 10-18-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Okay that answers my question then, assuming the CS guy knew what he is talking about, and that is not always the case! On the German version it sounds like Amazon disabled or didn't include the COPY feature due to German laws. International trade is extremely complicated, complex, and convoluted, to say the least. Amazon has to be careful not to go against local laws in places where it does business, just like any other multi-national company. Is there any way you can download the English version from the USA site?

ETA: Since this is a freeware app, if someone has the English/USA version of the DMG (install) file, perhaps you could get that from them. But even that might not be legal in Germany or wherever you reside, so you need to check first.

Possible. Like I said, I have the .dmg from amazon.com but I'd gladly try another version to see if they are seeding different versions. There is certainly no law that prevents the copying of text from digital files in Germany. It works great on the iPad Kindle app and it seems to be no problem on the Mac in iBooks...

JSWolf · 10-18-2015, 02:54 PM

Could it be you cannot copy if the eBook has DRM?

johnnyb · 10-18-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Could it be you cannot copy if the eBook has DRM?

Nope, I've tried books with and without DRM, no difference...
But maybe jswinden can check if that makes a difference for him.

jswinden · 10-20-2015, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Could it be you cannot copy if the eBook has DRM?

Nope, the sample screenshot I posted was with a DRMed book, so no issue copying text within a DRMed book. There might be a flag the publisher can turn on or off though. I still believe the OP's issue is due to the laws in his area as stated by the CS rep. Even if Germany has no such laws in effect, that doesn't mean Amazon is correctly interpreting them. And just perhaps the German language app is used in other countries nearby that do have legal restrictions that Amazon interprets as reason to disable the feature therein. Or maybe the German language app developers just screwed up and accidentally disabled the feature.

tomsem · 10-20-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyb

Nope, I've tried books with and without DRM, no difference...
But maybe jswinden can check if that makes a difference for him.

Just to back up a bit: what version of the Kindle app for iOS are you running? and what version of iOS? The current version is 4.12, and it requires iOS 8 or later. I am not sure when they added Copy to Clipboard, but it was not always a feature. If you are on iOS 7 or earlier then you would only be able to get an older version of the Kindle app.

jswinden · 10-20-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

Just to back up a bit: what version of the Kindle app for iOS are you running? and what version of iOS? The current version is 4.12, and it requires iOS 8 or later. I am not sure when they added Copy to Clipboard, but it was not always a feature. If you are on iOS 7 or earlier then you would only be able to get an older version of the Kindle app.

He is talking about the Kindle for Mac OS X app, not the iOS app. And his app is the German version.

johnnyb · 10-20-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Nope, the sample screenshot I posted was with a DRMed book, so no issue copying text within a DRMed book. There might be a flag the publisher can turn on or off though. I still believe the OP's issue is due to the laws in his area as stated by the CS rep. Even if Germany has no such laws in effect, that doesn't mean Amazon is correctly interpreting them. And just perhaps the German language app is used in other countries nearby that do have legal restrictions that Amazon interprets as reason to disable the feature therein. Or maybe the German language app developers just screwed up and accidentally disabled the feature.

Maybe if you could send me a US .dmg, I could check that out... I'm really curious now, especially since I'm pretty sure that there are no dedicated German developers tailoring this app to the German market...

kyteflyer · 10-25-2015, 03:41 PM

Theres no "Copy" in the Australian MacOSX version, either. If you try to copy from the dropdown menu under "Edit" you find that its greyed out, and Command-C doesnt work either. If I screenshotted, it would look like johnnyb's except in English.

johnnyb · 10-27-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kyteflyer

Theres no "Copy" in the Australian MacOSX version, either. If you try to copy from the dropdown menu under "Edit" you find that its greyed out, and Command-C doesnt work either. If I screenshotted, it would look like johnnyb's except in English.

Can you perhaps ask Amazon CS about it. The German CS is adamant about it being a copyright issue but they won't comment on the fact that copying text works fine in the iOS and Android apps...

10-25-2015, 03:41 PM	#44
kyteflyer Wizard Posts: 1,844 Karma: 9547754 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Newcastle, Australia Device: iPhone 12 Mini	Theres no "Copy" in the Australian MacOSX version, either. If you try to copy from the dropdown menu under "Edit" you find that its greyed out, and Command-C doesnt work either. If I screenshotted, it would look like johnnyb's except in English. Last edited by kyteflyer; 10-25-2015 at 03:44 PM.

10-18-2015, 11:25 AM	#32
jswinden Nameless Being	No telling what differences there are between the English version of the app and the various other language versions. Amazon is notorious for having different feature sets in their various Kindle apps. For example, the iOS app tends to get features before the Android app. So perhaps the development team for the German version has left out the copy feature. Also it might be a legal thing. Could it possibly have to do with German laws concerning copyright, etc.?

10-18-2015, 02:54 PM	#38
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,796 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Could it be you cannot copy if the eBook has DRM?