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A lot of the rest will be copies-of-copies, which means they won't be byte-compatible. e.g. it won't help copyright holders trying to take down a home video that has music playing in the background... This suggestion will not complicate piracy in any way, shape or form. Most infringers will circumvent it, and they will do so by accident, without even knowing there was something to get around. Also, what child pornography hash list? I can imagine more inefficient ways of recognizing and blocking child pornography, but I would have to resort to things like "throwing darts at a list of names". Last edited by eschwartz; 07-12-2015 at 02:20 AM. |
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![]() Actually, yes, we are all aware of how ridiculous this is -- that was @Barcey's (very obvious) point. |
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AgG: Technology illiterates clicking their heels and wishing real hard.
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In real life, I'm sure most antitrust violators do get away with it, so long as they price within a range rather than all the same. Suppose I was to tell you that antitrust enforcement is worthless, because all conspirators have to do is meet privately and avoid discussing sensitive subjects in emails, and to burn anything in writing. Would you buy that? Then why should I buy that only torrents matter? Quote:
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Really, we are talking two very different situations. The first situation is people who post copyrighted material in legit ebook stores either looking to make a buck or because they don't respect copyright law. This situation can be handled by giving the ebook stores an easy method of validating the right of the person to post that material. Ultimately, the solution is that the copyright holder takes the poster to court for copyright violations. The second is so called pirate sites, which use a variety of methods and tend to be frequented by a small group of people. While this group does get copyright holders panties in a wad, it's almost impossible to block since they quickly shift technologies and sites, and ultimately does minimum harm to copyright holders since it really doesn't represent any lost sales. That is to say, few people who knowingly use pirate sites would buy the material. |
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As pwalker8 said. And a couple observations:
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![]() ![]() Are you even aware of the previous incarnation of this law? Stop Online Piracy Act (Wiki) And of course it also targets small businesses, especially startups, that have no practical capability to to develop systems that cost tens of millions of dollars in order to check every file they host. Takedowns are however within their capacity -- and they tend to follow those. Quote:
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So they're trying to turn ISPs into enforcement agencies for the government. Bad, bad idea. It's like citywide smoking bans that unfairly punish an establishment when someone is caught smoking instead of punishing the person who was actually breaking the law.
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Yes. It's the "When You Can't Punish the Perpetrator, Just Punish Someone Else" approach.
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There is always illegality. Especially with the more enforcement coverage you have, as the police discover that they can be encouraged to 'redefine' what's illegal and what's not. |
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One of the dangers of making any link in the internet chain pre-emptively responsible for any kind of enforcement is that that link then becomes legally responsible for that enforcement and can be sued (or worse) if any non-enforcement takes place.
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Where did Mussolini stand on intellectual property rights? Do you have a cite where Mussolini said something that anticipated the Authors Guild position on book piracy? Or are you just trying to make my position look bad ![]() |
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![]() I'm afraid I don't listen to junk science, whether one person says it or two people say it. I somehow doubt Mr. Carlisle has ever attempted to put his grand scheme in motion... And he is invoking ContentID. I am pretty sure ContentID is a highly sophisticated semantic filter that cost tens of millions of dollars to invent, let alone deploy, and which is capable of discovering portions of infringing content within an otherwise unrelated work... not a simple database of file hashes, which would be an embarrassing cop-out for an organization of Google's talent and resources. And as the article so astutely points out, Dropbox will freeze sharing for *that* file, not further uploads of content that infringes the IP it is linked to. This would be because Dropbox allows one to share files (and when identifying a particular file uploaded by a particular user, a hash is not a terrible way to do so). Quote:
And it is completely irrelevant, since my point seems to have slid directly over your head. Allow me to reiterate my point, then: What makes you think ebook readers are any less likely than movie watchers to know what a torrent is? Also, I still want to know what the point of your original statement was, because I can't see why it matters whether or not most ebook pirates don't know what a torrent is. Quote:
I suggest you reread murg's post in light of the possibility that he was referring to your post, rather than unrelated things you may have said previously. Hint: your post (and certainly the bit that murg quoted) was discussing the relative effectiveness of law enforcement in general vs. an ideal. And murg stated that 100% enforcement implies fascism complete with he attendant likeliness of abuse. I am certainly inclined to agree that an authoritarian government is far more suited than a government with checks and balances, for the purpose of ensuring 100% realization of law enforcement. That is one of the trade-offs we pay, no authoritarian gov't in return for the possibility that the jackbooted hordes who aren't there won't be able to crack down on every last little smidgen of crime. Feel free to agree or disagree, so long as you stop trying to pretend that anyone suggested that Mussolini has anything to do with intellectual property rights. Last edited by eschwartz; 07-12-2015 at 11:41 PM. |
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I know there is a well known Internet law regarding mentions of another famous dictator of that era. Considering the Big M's (known as B.M. to his friends) relative place in the era, maybe instead of losing the argument, you just have to sit in the corner for three pages of posts. Huh? I'll leave that to eschwartz. Or yourself. |
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![]() That appears to be meant for referencing specific cases without actually having to bring child pornography to the courtroom. Not a misguided belief that it will be an effective way to block new child pornography going forward. |
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