calibre and the new kindle layout engine - Page 4

sabryna131 · 07-04-2015, 11:59 PM

I don't know if this is relevent but last night I downloaded 2 new books to my Voyage that had the typesetting enabled (neither had hyphenation) and both books had a slightly different layout. They had smaller line spacing (on all three settings) and the huge gaps between words were gone. Must be part of the new typesetting but it isn't supposed to work on the available firmware yet, correct?

patrik · 07-05-2015, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by odamizu

What am I missing? I feel like I'm missing something big here. Thoughts?

Wouldn't it be funny if this all was a marketing thing and had nothing to do with technical issues at all? Amazon just decides to enable/disable some things via new firmware/device at a well selected time...

odamizu · 07-05-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sabryna131

I don't know if this is relevent but last night I downloaded 2 new books to my Voyage that had the typesetting enabled (neither had hyphenation) and both books had a slightly different layout. They had smaller line spacing (on all three settings) and the huge gaps between words were gone. Must be part of the new typesetting but it isn't supposed to work on the available firmware yet, correct?

Just guessing here, but they might have been MOBI rather than AZW3. I've noticed MOBI has smaller line spacing than AZW3 on all three settings.

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Originally Posted by patrik

Wouldn't it be funny if this all was a marketing thing and had nothing to do with technical issues at all? Amazon just decides to enable/disable some things via new firmware/device at a well selected time...

Well, there's definitely something funny-weird going on; not sure if I'd agree it's funny-ha-ha.

Another thought I had is that only AZK (and perhaps MOBI) requires rejiggering for the enhanced typesetting to work, and for AZW3s, the enhanced typesetting is controlled entirely on the device-side. That would explain why Amazon has been rejiggering their Kindlebooks without it seeming to make any difference in the AZW3s we've seen.

odamizu · 07-06-2015, 02:17 PM

@blaenk and anyone else who has a PW3:

Does the Bookerly font work with ebooks (AZW3 or MOBI) that you created with Calibre? I.e., even if you don't get improved word-spacing and hyphenation, can you still use Bookerly?

Merci, Gracias, Spasibo!

Montana Harper · 07-06-2015, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by odamizu

@blaenk and anyone else who has a PW3:

Does the Bookerly font work with ebooks (AZW3 or MOBI) that you created with Calibre? I.e., even if you don't get improved word-spacing and hyphenation, can you still use Bookerly?

Merci, Gracias, Spasibo!

It certainly seems to work, from looking at books I've converted from epub in Calibre and then sideloaded.

Nekian · 07-06-2015, 04:02 PM

Yes, the Bookerly font works with every book I tested, including calibre-converted ones.

Edit: Ok, @Montana Harper was faster

HarryT · 07-06-2015, 04:10 PM

Provided that a book doesn't have a hard-coded font, you can read any book using any font, Bookerly included.

GERGE · 07-06-2015, 04:37 PM

Everything but hyphenation works with the sideloaded.

Doitsu · 07-06-2015, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GERGE

Everything but hyphenation works with the sideloaded.

Did you add the following style to the main stylesheet before converting your epubs to AZW3 books:

Code:

body {
-epub-hyphens:auto; 
-webkit-hyphens:auto; 
}

eschwartz · 07-06-2015, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GERGE

Everything but hyphenation works with the sideloaded.

Excuse me, I was under the impression that the hyphenation didn't work for Amazon books either.

rashkae · 07-07-2015, 12:05 AM

I just updated Kindle for PC to the latest version.. .and books that were last week downloading as Mobi format are now downloading in KF8 Format. The drop caps on computer screen looked perfect, so I suspect this is part of the books being updated to new typsetting standard. The dropcaps specified line height of 1 as part of their formatting (which doesn't work on Kindles, at least, with traditional firmware, since the line height would never go below 1.2), and the body css includes -epub-hyphens: auto

This might just be clutter from poor epub being fed to amazon, (both books I sampled were from the same publisher/series) but I'm starting to suspect that the new typesetting engine is just better support for epub css (obeying smaller line heights and hyphen rules, for example) and not any kind of special flag in the book.

odamizu · 07-07-2015, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana Harper

It [Bookerly] certainly seems to work, from looking at books I've converted from epub in Calibre and then sideloaded.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nekian

Yes, the Bookerly font works with every book I tested, including calibre-converted ones.

Excellent! Thank you for confirming this!

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odamizu · 07-07-2015, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

Excuse me, I was under the impression that the hyphenation didn't work for Amazon books either.

I'm not sure what device GERGE is using (K4iOS maybe?), but K4Mac and K4iOS will show hyphens, especially if there's hyphen CSS inside, and sometimes when there isn't. However, it doesn't seem to work on eink Kindles (yet). More details in Post #28

cybmole · 07-07-2015, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rashkae

I just updated Kindle for PC to the latest version.. .

is that the desktop version or the win 8 app, & are you seeing any hyphenation in K for PC. I have not tried to force an update but I see hyphens only on on my Fire tablet, not on voyage & not on Pc ( testing all 3 with same books)

i have desktop version 1.11.2 (40666) last updated 3/28/2015. windows 7

I have ticked update without asking & restarted kindle for PC but it seems to want to stay at that.
what version do you have ?

rashkae · 07-07-2015, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cybmole

is that the desktop version or the win 8 app, & are you seeing any hyphenation in K for PC. I have not tried to force an update but I see hyphens only on on my Fire tablet, not on voyage & not on Pc ( testing all 3 with same books)

i have desktop version 1.11.2 (40666) last updated 3/28/2015. windows 7

I have ticked update without asking & restarted kindle for PC but it seems to want to stay at that.
what version do you have ?

Hmm, I have 1.11.2 as well now, On Linux (wine), for some reason, I thought that was newer... (since I just received the nag to update a few days ago.)

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07-04-2015, 11:59 PM	#46
sabryna131 Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: charleston,wv Device: nook stgl, nook hd+,pw1,pw2,kv,nookhd,aurahd,nook tab4	I don't know if this is relevent but last night I downloaded 2 new books to my Voyage that had the typesetting enabled (neither had hyphenation) and both books had a slightly different layout. They had smaller line spacing (on all three settings) and the huge gaps between words were gone. Must be part of the new typesetting but it isn't supposed to work on the available firmware yet, correct?

07-06-2015, 02:17 PM	#49
odamizu just an egg Posts: 1,848 Karma: 8006346 Join Date: Mar 2015 Device: Kindle, iOS	@blaenk and anyone else who has a PW3: Does the Bookerly font work with ebooks (AZW3 or MOBI) that you created with Calibre? I.e., even if you don't get improved word-spacing and hyphenation, can you still use Bookerly? Merci, Gracias, Spasibo!

07-06-2015, 04:02 PM	#51
Nekian Member Posts: 10 Karma: 3018 Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Germany Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 3	Yes, the Bookerly font works with every book I tested, including calibre-converted ones. Edit: Ok, @Montana Harper was faster

07-06-2015, 04:10 PM	#52
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Provided that a book doesn't have a hard-coded font, you can read any book using any font, Bookerly included.

07-06-2015, 04:37 PM	#53
GERGE Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 5797160 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Istanbul Device: Kobo Libra	Everything but hyphenation works with the sideloaded.

07-07-2015, 12:05 AM	#56
rashkae Wizard Posts: 1,277 Karma: 5935030 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Device: Kobo Aura HD	I just updated Kindle for PC to the latest version.. .and books that were last week downloading as Mobi format are now downloading in KF8 Format. The drop caps on computer screen looked perfect, so I suspect this is part of the books being updated to new typsetting standard. The dropcaps specified line height of 1 as part of their formatting (which doesn't work on Kindles, at least, with traditional firmware, since the line height would never go below 1.2), and the body css includes -epub-hyphens: auto This might just be clutter from poor epub being fed to amazon, (both books I sampled were from the same publisher/series) but I'm starting to suspect that the new typesetting engine is just better support for epub css (obeying smaller line heights and hyphen rules, for example) and not any kind of special flag in the book.