ALL-New Paperwhite announced: 300dpi E-Ink screen

[Josieb1]

I wonder if the new PW3 is using the same screen as the Voyage and if so does it have the same colour issue? Also Amazon don't usually update decides in June so I wonder if they've released the PW3 early because of Kobo?

I just want to know if they have an updated Voyage with a perfect screen (like PW2 was against PW1) as that is what I am looking for.

[fjtorres]

They are making a big push in China.
Maybe they didn't want to wait another four months.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

I wonder if the new PW3 is using the same screen as the Voyage and if so does it have the same colour issue? Also Amazon don't usually update decides in June so I wonder if they've released the PW3 early because of Kobo?

I just want to know if they have an updated Voyage with a perfect screen (like PW2 was against PW1) as that is what I am looking for.

I cannot say about the screen, but I would think the PW3 is in response to the Kobo Glo HD.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon is different than other companies (except Apple as they have the same mentality). Amazon has a "We are not going to support the older hardware even if we can" mentality.

You have an extremely short memory, Jon. You repeatedly assured us, with your profound insight, that the Kindle Keyboard (K3) would never be able to read KF8-format books, and then what happened? Amazon released a firmware update for the K3 to allow it to read KF8 files. Amazon have a far better track record of updating the firmware of older devices than most other companies do.

It's a bit much to expect a firmware update for the DX, though, which is essentially a Kindle 2.

[Atunah]

Originally Posted by silverraven

See, what I can't understand is why they can't put the nice, comfortable buttons, just like were used on the K4NTb, on the Paperwhite? The bezel is wide enough, they wouldn't be in the way, and people that wanted the touch screen could still use it. Shoot, put an on/off switch in the firmware for the buttons. And no, using the touch screen is not really an option. My thumb joint hurts when I have to move it so far to tap/swipe.
Unless they changed the firmware so that you could tap on the first inch or so on BOTH sides to page forward, and go toward the center to page back. I like to hold my reader in my left hand and reaching over the Back area to touch to turn is too far for my poor thumb. That might work, and seems like it would make sense for easier use in both hands. Hmmm.
I don't know, I still just want the little buttons back.
S

You sound a lot like me. I never liked using my PW1, besides the milky window on the screen, I just didn't like the touchscreen for reading and changing pages. It hurts my joint like you to constantly wipe back and forth. I man the swipe of the thumb to get to the spot, not that I did a long swipe on the screen. As much as I read, that constant joint going like that hurt.
I bought a basic so I could read again and yes those are nice buttons. Of course they took those away now too. I also though needed the light for my eyes.
The Voyage haptic buttons work pretty well I have to say. I don't have to move my thumb, but just press down slightly and I can still hold it in one hand doing that without losing the grip.
I don't know where you live or if you have a store where you could at least touch those buttons to see how you like it. It took me a couple of weeks to find the sweetspot with sensitivity and feedback that I called thumb farts.

I actually now find them a tad easier to use than the buttons on my basic. But either work fine for me.

My screen on the Voyage has no color issues. And I know about screen unevenness as I had no luck with the PW1 in that regard. I notice nothing on my Voyage.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Fluribus

When I was looking to get a Kindle, the DX was $379 vs $139 for the Keyboard. Had they offered a lower price differential, they might have gotten a different result.

That is what kept me away.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon is different than other companies (except Apple as they have the same mentality). Amazon has a "We are not going to support the older hardware even if we can" mentality. Hecki, Even Sony was able to ad some version RMDSK to the 500 in order to get ePub support. The DX could have had firmware updates to add new features and maybe it would have sold better, but once new features came out and the DX didn't get them, it wasn't worth buying.

Stop comparing apples to oranges.
Amazon is not unique in stopping active development of old models of fill-in-electronic-device-here.
Amazon is unusual in making sure every device they ever sold still works as intended, even once active feature development ceases. There are reportedly still Original Kindle owners who still use those Kindle without problems.
Could you get any further from the truth?

For example, you are aware Amazon still creates mobi7 versions of all their books? Specifically for the pre-KindleKeyboard devices, as the KK and on all support KF8?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Stop comparing apples to oranges.
Amazon is not unique in stopping active development of old models of fill-in-electronic-device-here.
Amazon is unusual in making sure every device they ever sold still works as intended, even once active feature development ceases. There are reportedly still Original Kindle owners who still use those Kindle without problems.
Could you get any further from the truhth?

Yes, a lot of companies abandon perfectly good hardware for lack of a software update. But Amazon did dump the DX and stopped updating it. So it became a rather large doorstop. Amazon should have kept the DX updated and it might be selling still.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Yes, a lot of companies abandon perfectly good hardware for lack of a software update. But Amazon did dump the DX and stopped updating it. So it became a rather large doorstop.

Yet again you're talking absolute garbage. The DX didn't stop working once Amazon stopped selling it.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Yes, a lot of companies abandon perfectly good hardware for lack of a software update. But Amazon did dump the DX and stopped updating it. So it became a rather large doorstop. Amazon should have kept the DX updated and it might be selling still.

Occasionally Amazon starts selling the DX again, from the leftover stock. Those seem to sell well enough.

In any event I think I have demonstrated that Amazon is to be downright praised for their above-average dedication to their old devices. As I said, even the Original Kindle still works fine -- even though they didn't get the very latest new features.
Your Apple comparison is still ridiculous.

[frahse]

Originally Posted by HarryT

You have an extremely short memory, Jon. You repeatedly assured us, with your profound insight, that the Kindle Keyboard (K3) would never be able to read KF8-format books, and then what happened? Amazon released a firmware update for the K3 to allow it to read KF8 files. Amazon have a far better track record of updating the firmware of older devices than most other companies do.

It's a bit much to expect a firmware update for the DX, though, which is essentially a Kindle 2.

My wife is very satisfied with her (now it seems to be hers) Kindle KB 3G.

I would very much like to have the new PW and Voyage in my hands to compare them both intrinsically as well as extrinsically.

[Penforhire]

I'm hoping we get a Voyage refresh that pushes it a bit further ahead of this new PW3. I do want the Voyage's flush screen. Could not care less about the haptic buttons. Just now hoping to get more value for my next E-ink dollar, given how competitive the new PW3 is.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Yet again you're talking absolute garbage. The DX didn't stop working once Amazon stopped selling it.

But it did become obsolete.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But it did become obsolete.

This conversation began with:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon is different than other companies (except Apple as they have the same mentality). Amazon has a "We are not going to support the older hardware even if we can" mentality. Hecki, Even Sony was able to ad some version RMDSK to the 500 in order to get ePub support. The DX could have had firmware updates to add new features and maybe it would have sold better, but once new features came out and the DX didn't get them, it wasn't worth buying.

You seem to feel that when Amazon stopped updating the DX, it became useless.

Originally Posted by HarryT

Yet again you're talking absolute garbage. The DX didn't stop working once Amazon stopped selling it.

(bold mine)


You are categorically wrong.
It did not become useless. It became a legacy device without new features, that still has perfectly good hardware and integration with the Kindle Store.
Call it obsolete if you will -- any old device will fit that shoe. I am typing this on an 11-year-old computer, every component in it is "obsolete", yet it runs perfectly well on a bleeding-edge operating system.


Given that Amazon does not have a magic wand that they can wave over all the DXes in the world to make them new, no kidding they are obsolete. My Kindle Touch is obsolete. What is your point?

[frahse]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

This conversation began with:



You seem to feel that when Amazon stopped updating the DX, it became useless.

(bold mine)


You are categorically wrong.
It did not become useless. It became a legacy device without new features, that still has perfectly good hardware and integration with the Kindle Store.
Call it obsolete if you will -- any old device will fit that shoe. I am typing this on an 11-year-old computer, every component in it is "obsolete", yet it runs perfectly well on a bleeding-edge operating system.


Given that Amazon does not have a magic wand that they can wave over all the DXes in the world to make them new, no kidding they are obsolete. My Kindle Touch is obsolete. What is your point?

Indeed!
I am typing on a Chromebook, but to my left is a giant CRT on a 17 year old Dell, 450Mhz, updated many times to XP running my wireless router and home printer network. I can set up a download on it and walk away with no worry. I can format perfectly my stock portfolio or a map better than anything I can do on the Chrome.

It is like an old saw or ax. Just sharpen it once in a while and it is still an excellent tool.