Interesting Kindle Upgrade - Page 2

ApK · 05-28-2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I can eat peas (feel free to insert a food you love here) with a spoon or a knife or a fork. I prefer a spoon. But if all my spoons were stolen, I bet I would adjust quite well to eating them with a fork or knife--in short order. It's the peas I love, after all, not the utensil.

I don't think I'd enjoy the food as much if I had to worry about cutting my mouth with a knife whenever I ate it.

Not sure what we're talking about, but that may be relevant to the analogy.

cgsmom · 05-28-2015, 08:55 AM

I would just be happy if they would give me the ability to change font styles in the Windows 8 app.

DiapDealer · 05-28-2015, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Difflugia

Is your brand-loyalty such that you'd keep eating Green Giant peas with a knife even if Freshlike peas gave your spoons back?

Nope. Whatever peas (within reason) were available would be eaten by whatever utensil I currently had at my disposal.

When it comes to books, my loyalty is reserved primarily for the content. I'm just OCD enough to spend waaaaay too much time analyzing and futzing over typography (e or p) if I'm not careful. So I do my best to ignore it and just read books. I prefer full justification and hyphenation, but I'm not married to it. I'm flexible. The typography in print books (at least the ones I bought) varied pretty wildly too, and I survived reading them for decades. I see no reason why ebooks should be any different. *shrugs*

DiapDealer · 05-28-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

I don't think I'd enjoy the food as much if I had to worry about cutting my mouth with a knife whenever I ate it.

Not sure what we're talking about, but that may be relevant to the analogy.

Well it's not a sharp knife for gosh sakes. Eating peas with a knife is not something I made up. People did/do it.

Anyway ... I'm already deeper into this analogy than I'd ever respect anyone else for going, soooooo ....

ApK · 05-28-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Well it's not a sharp knife for gosh sakes. Eating peas with a knife is not something I made up. People did/do it.

I know. I went to second grade:

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I eat my peas with honey
I done it all my life
It makes 'em taste kinda funny
But it helps 'em stick to the knife

Poetry class is over. As you were, people!

Phogg · 05-28-2015, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I can eat peas (feel free to insert a food you love here) with a spoon or a knife or a fork. I prefer a spoon. But if all my spoons were stolen, I bet I would adjust quite well to eating them with a fork or knife--in short order. It's the peas I love, after all, not the utensil.

I'm all for choice when it comes to e-typography (more would be best, although that's not always feasible). But when it boils right down to it, I suspect it doesn't matter as much as people (including myself sometimes) want to believe it does. Shut up and eat your peas.

I eat my peas with honey
I've done it all my life
It makes the peas taste funny
But it keeps them on my knife

murg · 05-28-2015, 05:56 PM

I'm getting the weirdest feeling of deja vu...

JSWolf · 05-28-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Exactly.
I read at smallish font sizes so ragged right isn't particularly noticeable whereas hyphenation is noticeable. For me, at least, it breaks immersion.

It is all about what you are used to and what you are comfortable with.

Adding hyphenation as an option is good--forcing hyphenation isn't.

But before there were Readers, did you complain about hyphenation in your pBooks? I bet not.

odamizu · 05-28-2015, 11:14 PM

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"Amazon needs to reprocess each book in their Kindle catalog to support the feature."

I'm curious as to what this reprocessing might entail. Altering CSS and/or HTML? And how might this affect Kindle Unpack and Calibre conversions? Anyone care to speculate?

Purple Lady · 05-29-2015, 12:52 AM

The new font makes it 2% easier on the eye, but hyphens (for me anyway) make it 10% harder on the eye so it's a net loss. I read slower with hyphens so I would prefer not to have them. But I'm sure Amazon knows what's best and will not give me the chance to choose if I want hyphens or not.

I use larger font sizes, so the change to not have such huge spaces between the words is better for me, but please give me more font sizes! I usually need a size a little bigger than one of their more reasonable sizes, but the next size up is over twice as big. Amazon could also have just let me choose to have left justified which would fix the problem of too much spaces between words anyway. It would also look better than the print screen from the page linked to in the first post. One line has two partial words only - the end of a hyphenated word from the previous line and a hyphenated word continued on the next line. That looks worse than no hyphens and left justification would look.

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mr ploppy · 05-29-2015, 05:24 AM

I bought a Kobo Touch from the car boot this week, the standard firmware in that has lots of controls over layout that you would need to hack a Kindle to achieve. So does this mean Kindles are going to get the same level of control as Kobos over size, leading, margin, font weight, etc?

I've been thinking of getting a Kindle Voyage, but having seen the stock Kobo now I'm leaning more toward their equivalent offering. It's just the idea of having to smear grease all over the screen to control it that puts me off.

Katsunami · 05-29-2015, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Waylander

What does anyone else think?

Compared to what Kobo provides, this is too little too late.

The Kindle needs a lot more fonts, and a lot more adjustments to set typography to the user's preference, IMHO.

The one reason keeping me away from a Kobo reader is that they keep jackassing around with their own KEPUB format. OK, Kindle was their own AZW3 format, but this one is much better understood than KEPUB is, and much better supported by calibre. OK, Kobo does support EPUB, but when using that, I don't like the layout and some of the reader's features don't work.

In short, I think Amazon could have done better than a new font a small change in the layout of the settings screen.

fjtorres · 05-29-2015, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But before there were Readers, did you complain about hyphenation in your pBooks? I bet not.

Why bother complaining when there is nothing you can do?
The beauty of ebooks is you *can* do something about it.
(As opposed to print or pdf.)

You can have it your way: choice of font family, size, margins, spacing, and yes, choice to hyphenate or not. It's my reader, my eyeballs, my money. I don't insist others do it as I do it. Just that they don't try to force their biases on me.

Katsunami · 05-29-2015, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GERGE

Finally. Kerning and hyphenation.

This would be very nice. Hyphenation of big books using Hyphenate This! in Calibre can take quite a long time.

I hope they'll also update the KPW1, but I expect them to only update the KPW2 and Voyage, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But before there were Readers, did you complain about hyphenation in your pBooks? I bet not.

To be honest, I've never had, or even seen, a paper book with very bad formatting or layout, but I've encountered a lot of e-books with many problems in these area's.

WillAdams · 05-29-2015, 12:47 PM

For hyphenation, are the documents actually tagged so as to ensure that only valid breaks are done in consideration of the usage of the word in question? (consider the different appropriate breaks for present (here at the time in question or received gift) or present (to give something), or even present (it was sent previously)?

Does the justification system prevent stacks? If so, where'd they get it / who wrote it, and where's the academic paper? We need a successor to: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...11102/abstract

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05-28-2015, 08:55 AM	#17
cgsmom Addict Posts: 370 Karma: 4000001 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Nook GL4+, Nook GL4, Kindle Oasis 3, iPhone 14	I would just be happy if they would give me the ability to change font styles in the Windows 8 app.

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murg No Comment Posts: 3,240 Karma: 23878043 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Australia Device: Kobo: Not just an eReader, it's an adventure!	I'm getting the weirdest feeling of deja vu...

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Purple Lady Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,698 Karma: 16542228 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Device: Huawei MediaPad M5, LG V30, Boyue T80S, Nexus 7 LTE, K3 3G, Fire HD8	The new font makes it 2% easier on the eye, but hyphens (for me anyway) make it 10% harder on the eye so it's a net loss. I read slower with hyphens so I would prefer not to have them. But I'm sure Amazon knows what's best and will not give me the chance to choose if I want hyphens or not. I use larger font sizes, so the change to not have such huge spaces between the words is better for me, but please give me more font sizes! I usually need a size a little bigger than one of their more reasonable sizes, but the next size up is over twice as big. Amazon could also have just let me choose to have left justified which would fix the problem of too much spaces between words anyway. It would also look better than the print screen from the page linked to in the first post. One line has two partial words only - the end of a hyphenated word from the previous line and a hyphenated word continued on the next line. That looks worse than no hyphens and left justification would look.

05-29-2015, 05:24 AM	#26
mr ploppy Feral Underclass Posts: 3,622 Karma: 26821535 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Yorkshire, tha noz Device: 2nd hand paperback	I bought a Kobo Touch from the car boot this week, the standard firmware in that has lots of controls over layout that you would need to hack a Kindle to achieve. So does this mean Kindles are going to get the same level of control as Kobos over size, leading, margin, font weight, etc? I've been thinking of getting a Kindle Voyage, but having seen the stock Kobo now I'm leaning more toward their equivalent offering. It's just the idea of having to smear grease all over the screen to control it that puts me off.

05-29-2015, 12:47 PM	#30
WillAdams Wizard Posts: 1,260 Karma: 3439432 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite (300ppi), Samsung Galaxy Book 12	For hyphenation, are the documents actually tagged so as to ensure that only valid breaks are done in consideration of the usage of the word in question? (consider the different appropriate breaks for present (here at the time in question or received gift) or present (to give something), or even present (it was sent previously)? Does the justification system prevent stacks? If so, where'd they get it / who wrote it, and where's the academic paper? We need a successor to: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...11102/abstract