Kobo Glo HD

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

That happens on my Glo HD and regular Glo. What's happening is that I'm tapping to advance the pages much faster than any e-ink screen can render them. So it keeps advancing but stops bothering to render the pages (there's really no need to since you're just advancing pages ahead), or else it would have to stop advancing the pages as the other choice.

Which oddly is what the PW2 does, it just stops. Keep tapping and it just quits responding after a few taps and no longer advances the pages at all. I thought that like the Kobo it might just stop rendering the text and after awhile it will catch up and it'll pop to another page where it should, but it never did that either. There is another way on the PW2 that brings up a smaller page where you can advance quicker, and there it does render the pages, but at a slower pace.

So I really have no problem with the Kobo readers just having blank pages but letting you keep advancing the pages.

Now compare that to the many-years-older Sony PRS-350 and they both fail miserably. You can keep your finger held in the swipe position and it will keep advancing and rendering each page fully and perfectly, and faster than the PW2 does with the special option pulled up to advance pages.

Hmm, yeah, I was comparing it to a Nook ST, a Sony 650 and a T2. They are all able to render page after page flipped very quickly. The Kobo clears the page eavh time (not flash) so I can see it might not flip. As you state, it seems it's also the case for the PW2. I was just surprised. I expected a newer e-reader to outperform an older e-reader.

I'm not sure what you mean by the 350 failing miserably. If it is the same as the 650, then it flips the pages lightning fast. Perhaps we have our wires crossed.

[Rizla]

The big deal here I think is that if one waits a little while before turning a page, it lags. Turn it more quickly and the pages change more quickly. So if you read the page, the next page turn lags, and lags too much for comfort.

Why is the page turn taking longer if you pause (i.e. to read the page)? It feels like the device goes to sleep for a little bit, and has to wake up after the next screen tap.

This is happening on an epub with caecilia at about 75% weight. I presume this is not happening with 3.15 on non-Glo HD's. It's very noticeable. Are other Glo HD users getting it?

[Ripplinger]

Originally Posted by Rizla

I'm not sure what you mean by the 350 failing miserably. If it is the same as the 650, then it flips the pages lightning fast. Perhaps we have our wires crossed.

I meant the other 2 newer readers both fail miserably when compared to the old reliable 350 when it comes to speed-flipping through pages. The 350, like the 650 and I'm sure the 950, flips the pages lightning fast as you said, and still rendering each and every page fully while doing it.

I don't get why Sony could do it in 2010 but it can't be done in 2015.

I'd probably like all ereaders much better if I never had a PRS model to compare them to.

Originally Posted by Rizla

The big deal here I think is that if one waits a little while before turning a page, it lags. Turn it more quickly and the pages change more quickly. So if you read the page, the next page turn lags, and lags too much for comfort.

Why is the page turn taking longer if you pause (i.e. to read the page)? It feels like the device goes to sleep for a little bit, and has to wake up after the next screen tap.

This is happening on an epub with caecilia at about 75% weight. I presume this is not happening with 3.15 on non-Glo HD's. It's very noticeable. Are other Glo HD users getting it?

It does happen on my normal Glo with 3.15.0 installed and of course on the Glo HD with 3.15.0, but it does not happen to the normal Glo that still has 3.12.1 installed. So I really think it's more firmware related and hopefully they can fix it.

Originally Posted by Fx_

Despite viewing this picture on LCD. I'd go with with the left one, it's easier on my eyes.

Have to mention this, in case I changed my opinion when I wake up. It's 2:00AM here

The left one is the Kobo Glo HD, the right is a PW2. While the Voyage might have a better screen than the PW2, it still will not render fonts any thicker, so I think the thinnest ones at the top will still not look as good as on the Glo HD, but someone will have to do the test with a Glo HD and a Voyage.

But the bottom line is: Kobo does it without having to embed special fonts in every single book, and looks at least as well as any Kindle screen will and better than some.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

I meant the other 2 newer readers both fail miserably when compared to the old reliable 350 when it comes to speed-flipping through pages. The 350, like the 650 and I'm sure the 950, flips the pages lightning fast as you said, and still rendering each and every page fully while doing it.

I don't get why Sony could do it in 2010 but it can't be done in 2015.

It is weird. As I said, all the older models kind of merge one page into the next, while the Kobo clears it completely.

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

It does happen on my normal Glo with 3.15.0 installed and of course on the Glo HD with 3.15.0, but it does not happen to the normal Glo that still has 3.12.1 installed. So I really think it's more firmware related and hopefully they can fix it.

I'm sure you're right. The fact the pages can turn quicker show its not a hardware issue. But not a very good FW release from what I can see.

[Fx_]

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

The left one is the Kobo Glo HD, the right is a PW2. While the Voyage might have a better screen than the PW2, it still will not render fonts any thicker, so I think the thinnest ones at the top will still not look as good as on the Glo HD, but someone will have to do the test with a Glo HD and a Voyage.

But the bottom line is: Kobo does it without having to embed special fonts in every single book, and looks at least as well as any Kindle screen will and better than some.

It appears to me the right side (PW2), was able to achieve a higher boldness than Glo HD.This is in itself is surprising me, I though it should be the other way around. In which Glo HD should be technically adhering more to CSS/HTML with epub3 (unless it had to be something with kepub).

Back to the picture, with one to one comparison, it's disappointing that too much margin is wasted on PW2. However, the leak of resolution is might be in fault with the right side, as the left is more sharper while the right side is more blurry.


Still for Amazon Kindle, adding fonts won't be necessary, if it could render shadow correctly then boldness effects could be achieved.

[Nate the great]

Apparently I am the only one who sees a difference between the Voyage and the Glo HD:
http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...w-1080p-video/

[stutzj]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Apparently I am the only one who sees a difference between the Voyage and the Glo HD:
http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...w-1080p-video/

I agree with this review. In my eyes, the Glo HD's screen is on par with the voyage if not a little better. Especially when you take into account the text weight options, naturally lighter screen, how the text sits closer to the surface and not buried under a pane of glass. The contrast in natural lighting is superior, IMO. It feels more like a book.

The Voyage is a nice device but having read on the Glo HDfor a week, I am more satisfied with the it especially when you take the cost into account.

It is sluggish with epubs though...totally agree with you there. Not a deal breaker but I hope it gets fixed with updates.

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by stutzj

I agree with this review. In my eyes, the Glo HD's screen is on par with the voyage if not a little better. Especially when you take into account the text weight options, naturally lighter screen, how the text sits closer to the surface and not buried under a pane of glass. The contrast in natural lighting is superior, IMO. It feels more like a book.

The Voyage is a nice device but having read on it for a week, I am more satisfied with the Glo HD especially when you take the cost into account.

It is sluggish with epubs though...totally agree with you there. Not a deal breaker but I hope it gets fixed with updates.

But to get that review he had to sideload the same font on all the devices. That is not a realistic review. The average reader won't sideload fonts so this is not a valid real-world comparison.

[stutzj]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

But to get that review he had to sideload the same font on all the devices. That is not a realistic review. The average reader won't sideload fonts so this is not a valid real-world comparison.

By the way, I'm not knocking your review at all. I thought it was well written and you had valid points. You are right it isn't a realistic review if you take into account the average reader. Those are the people I expect you are writing for.

However, I am not the average reader. I will customize the crap out of the kobo because I can and based on this specific screen, I will be happy reading on it.

I think Kindles are way better entry level readers.

But in terms of the screen, I am really impressed with what Kobo came up with even though there are some fonts and software that might not show it off in the best way.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

But to get that review he had to sideload the same font on all the devices. That is not a realistic review. The average reader won't sideload fonts so this is not a valid real-world comparison.

In fairness, it is a truer way to compare the hardware, which is what many people here are most interested in anyway (they're borderline e-reader hackers). But I see your point also.

[Kralik]

I've been watching this thread with interest - I'm still using my NSTG but thinking about an upgrade. The important thing to me is: Does it work to install Coolreader on the Kobo Glo HD? If so, does the page turn perform better on ePUBs?

[kacir]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

But to get that review he had to sideload the same font on all the devices. That is not a realistic review. The average reader won't sideload fonts so this is not a valid real-world comparison.

The average reader doesn't follow your blog or engages in useless discussion about relative merits of two excellent e-ink readers here on Mobileread ;-)

So, please, pretty please, DO sideload a font or two for testing. And then fifty fonts, just to see whether it can crash the device or screw-up font selection . And tell us the extent of customization available. Like, is it possible to change text alignment, or how small margin can be.

And please try to install third-party programs, such as koreader.

[Nick_1964]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Apparently I am the only one who sees a difference between the Voyage and the Glo HD:
http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...w-1080p-video/

From my point of view it looks like, and I am now way to overdo it,that the Voyage is even sharp, but the letters are not so black as the Glo HD.
They,again I overdo it,look more deep brown to me.
It can be the light,but it seems to me that the Globo HD has more contrast then the Voyage.

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

It does happen on my normal Glo with 3.15.0 installed and of course on the Glo HD with 3.15.0, but it does not happen to the normal Glo that still has 3.12.1 installed. So I really think it's more firmware related and hopefully they can fix it.

I am now noticing this on my H20 since updating to 3.15.0, it was not like this when I was at 3.12.0 so it's definitely the firmware.

While epubs are faster on 3.15.0, they too have that same page turning lag, unless you flip through them quickly, same with kepubs. It's a little annoying since I was used to it being faster and more immediate. I'm considering doing a factory reset and going back to 3.12.0 because of it.

There's other little glitches with 3.15.0 as well it seems. I notice turning the light up or down with the finger swipe is a bit odd now too. Not as smooth as before. Also finger taps for the dictionary don't seem as immediate and the text becomes lighter and you need to refresh the screen.

[PeterT]

I think some of the unresponsiveness to taps is related to the attempt to fix to the missed page turns / double page turns some people have chronically experienced with Kobo.