curly quotes in sigil?

[BetterRed]

@DiapDealer - I would hope that this

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Irrespective of what quotes are used (single, double, curly, straight or guillemots [sic]) to check dialogue one needs something like Toxaris' addon for Word - 'tis excellent

was evidence that I am not conflating punctuation smartening and dialogue checking.

I am fully aware that your smarten punctuation does not do dialogue checking and that Toxaris's dialogue checking doesn't do punctuation checking.

I originally responded to a post from theducks in which he wrote

They are a PAIR & ldaquo; and & rdaquo;

That is his capitalisation. If the publisher enforces one of the common style guides, such as Chicago then the quotes won't come in pairs - period

BR

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

@DiapDealer - I would hope that this



was evidence that I am not conflating punctuation smartening and dialogue checking.

I am fully aware that your smarten punctuation does not do dialogue checking and that Toxaris's dialogue checking doesn't do punctuation checking.

I originally responded to a post from theducks in which he wrote



That is his capitalisation. If the publisher enforces one of the common style guides, such as Chicago then the quotes won't come in pairs - period

BR

No prob. Your post just happened to come after mine, with no quoted material. It seemed as though you were addressing my comment about my plugin handling multi-paragraph-spanning quotations correctly.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

No prob. Your post just happened to come after mine, with no quoted material. It seemed as though you were addressing my comment about my plugin handling multi-paragraph-spanning quotations correctly.

Yes I was addressing your post, but in the context of my prior and Tox's posts. Anyway, by his own admission, its entirely the fault of theducks

Hmmm - multi paragraph quotations and multi-paragraph dialogue are not normally styled the same -- are they? I thought for a quotation the first para will have an opening quote but subsequent para's wont, and the last para will have a closing quote. So in that case there is a PAIR.

"In matters of style, swim with the current;
in matters of principle, stand like a rock."

.

Thomas Jefferson

BR

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Hmmm - multi paragraph quotations and multi-paragraph dialogue are not normally styled the same -- are they? I thought for a quotation the first para will have an opening quote but subsequent para's wont, and the last para will have a closing quote. So in that case there is a PAIR.

"In matters of style, swim with the current;
in matters of principle, stand like a rock."

.

Thomas Jefferson

Not sure, really. I (and my plugins) have the luxury of letting someone else worry about those kinds of details. We just worry about curling the quotation marks that DO exist in the correct direction.

Spoiler:

I think you're probably right, though ... if only because the example you give isn't technically multiple paragraphs, but a single sentence split into two lines.

[JSWolf]

I have seen plenty of auto-smart routines getting single quotes backwards when it's supposed to be a left facing apostrophe in front of a word with no closing quote.

Also, I've see these routines get the left facing double quote backwards when a left facing apostrophe is in front.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I have seen plenty of auto-smart routines getting single quotes backwards when it's supposed to be a left facing apostrophe in front of a word with no closing quote.

Yep. That's the common 'tis and "go get 'em" issue. Or "Back in the '80s". Not completely avoidable (well, actually the decades thing is), but at least tameable by my parsing of a custom exception file for commonly used words of this nature.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Also, I've see these routines get the left facing double quote backwards when a left facing apostrophe is in front.

I don't. What I usually see is smartening routines taking the rap for MS Word's age-old penchant for reversing the typographic closing double quote when one immediately follows an emdash (whenever the autocorrect "Replace as you Type" setting for replacing straight quotes with "smart" quotes is enabled in Word). Haven't seen anything like that in a long while with my SmartyPants-based plugins (except when feeding it tag/entity soup disguised as an ebook and/or seeking to thwart it with weird-ass situations that almost never happen in real life).

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Yep. That's the common 'tis and "go get 'em" issue. Or "Back in the '80s". Not completely avoidable (well, actually the decades thing is), but at least tameable by my parsing of a custom exception file for commonly used words of this nature.


I don't. What I usually see is smartening routines taking the rap for MS Word's age-old penchant for reversing the typographic closing double quote when one immediately follows an emdash (whenever the autocorrect "Replace as you Type" setting for replacing straight quotes with "smart" quotes is enabled in Word). Haven't seen anything like that in a long while with my SmartyPants-based plugins (except when feeding it tag/entity soup disguised as an ebook and/or seeking to thwart it with weird-ass situations that almost never happen in real life).

IIRC - the first instance of wrong way quotes after a long dash I came across was in DISOSS, which was long before Word saw the light of day. Maybe MS inherited it from from Star when they poached Sinofsky from Xerox.

Even if it did originate at MS, how come it manifested elsewhere. MS don't have a track record of making their code available in the public domain. That's the problem with disassembling, as well as filching the IPR you inherit the bugs.

Spoiler:

@DiapDealer - I never let slip an opportunity for quoting something vaguely apropos from the likes of Jefferson - even if it means sneaking in a rogue newline or two

BR

DISOSS - a doco system that ran under CICS, its VM equivalent was PROFS. Mainframe stuff from a prior century, might have even been the one before last

[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

@Toxaris: you do great work. If I'm still IN the Word stage of a document, it's your tools/addons I'm using. I'm just not going to go from epub BACK to Word to gain a little quotation-proofing.

I don't blame you. Just for this I don't think I would do the same. However, if I think there are serious issues with quotes missing and there is other stuff wrong, I would do it.

[Notjohn]

Originally Posted by indieauthor83

Hello,

Can anyone please tell me how to add curly quotes in Sigil?

As I believe, because it's not a word processor, there is no option in there to change quotes automatically. And I no longer have the original word document. So can anyone please tell me how I can change the text (straight quotes) that it's Sigil, to curly quotes.

I know what the html code is: & (#8221; ) minus the brackets, and & (#8220; ) minus the brackets. I've added brackets so you can see the code I've tried using. I can get it to work on here... “ see ” but when I type this into Sigil it doesn't render (it comes up with an error message).

All replies are appreciated!

I use named entities all the time in Sigil, and they co-exist nicely with the actual curlies that Sigil seems to prefer to display.

I see what your problem is, though. I'm sure you could use regex to replace straight-quote followed by a letter with a “ and then go through and replace a full stop (or comma or question mark or exclam) followed by a straight quote with a “ but personally I would just go through with a search and replace. I have done this in Word, and it's pretty quick.

Speaking of quotes in pairs, I have seen a distressing (well, I'm distressed) tendency on the part of reputable newspapers to use only a single pair of quotation marks in an extended quote, one at the beginning and another at the end, with the intervening paragraphs bare of any mark.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

If I have questionable source material that I suspect may be missing some quotation marks in dialogue, then I'd probably favor something like Tox's add on for that situation, too. But for the example you gave, auto-smartening would leave you no worse off than you were before—missing a closing quotation mark. And that's for the proofers to catch.

@Toxaris: you do great work. If I'm still IN the Word stage of a document, it's your tools/addons I'm using. I'm just not going to go from epub BACK to Word to gain a little quotation-proofing.

I'm responding to this thread strictly to second the comment about Toxaris' work--and to remind all who come along and use it that you ought to donate to support it. I've been a user and tester for this since the beginning, and the sheer amount of work he's put in on this should not be ignored. It works AMAZINGLY well!!

Hitch

[Notjohn]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

What I usually see is smartening routines taking the rap for MS Word's age-old penchant for reversing the typographic closing double quote when one immediately follows an emdash (whenever the autocorrect "Replace as you Type" setting for replacing straight quotes with "smart" quotes is enabled in Word).

I'd forgotten about that one! Fortunately it leaps right off the page or screen when I proofread, unlike 'ell no, I won't go!