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What you need to do is to look at the reviews in places were people that read a lot of sf books review. And if you check there you will see that the book that won the year The Hunger was possible to nominate or vote for did get much better reviews than The Hunger Game. |
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However, boatloads of sales are by no means a reliable measure of quality. All three Fifty Shades of Grey books sold like hotcakes, despite being almost universally panned for bad characters, inaccurate depictions, and generally being badly written. Similarly, The Martian was by all accounts a work of high quality, but it was originally self-published and only got high sales once a traditional publisher picked it up. By your own logic, the Hugos were correct to ignore it; it wasn't a best-seller until 2014, and those awards haven't been given out yet. Consider the difference between "Greatest Hits" and "Best of" music collections - the former is what the radio played most and/or what sold the most copies, and the latter is what someone thinks is the group's best work. The Nebula is generally the "Best of" award (juried by SFWA members), and the Hugo sits somewhere in between. It's voted on by average fans, so popularity plays an obvious role, but there's also the question every voter has to ask: is this work award-worthy, or simply enjoyable? Nothing says a work can't be both, but returning to Fifty Shades, I know of nobody who would call it award-worthy despite its sales. It's just too poorly written. |
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The Hugo and Nebula, as far back as I can recall, have a sort of yin and yang relationship. Fans decide the Hugo, pros decide the Nebula. In both cases, there's a fee attached (Worldcon, SFWA), but only the Nebula has the additional condition that it only accepts professional members. Thus, there is inherently a higher element of popularity to the Hugo, simply because it is open to a wider voter pool. |
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And there were quite a few books that won both prices. Like last year "Ancillary Justice".
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The Hugo Awards are a popularity contest among 3600 voters.
http://www.thehugoawards.org/2014/08...award-winners/ I'm pretty sure SF fandom, to say nothing of SF *readership*, is a wee bit bigger than convention goers. |
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If you want to create a more open award, feel free. I'd be interested to see what you come up with, especially if it manages to include more people and avoid bot-voting and ballot-stuffing. Perhaps the Goodreads Choice Awards are more your style, but they don't have the SF focus of the Hugos or Nebulas. Which, y'know, they're a general site, so I expect that. |
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I'm surprised you like Piers Anthony and don't like The Hunger Games 1 (maybe you didn't mention THG). I read some of the Tarot series, and I don't see much to differentiate it and The Hunger Games. They are both action-packed and fast-moving. They are both fairly superficial works with little character development. But they are both fun. Actually, I'd say the Hunger Games was better written, but I liked them both. But certainly, IMO Ready Player One was a better book.
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And I think people voting is representative for the group of sf readers that read a lot of books. |
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