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Old 12-28-2014, 09:17 PM   #196
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I did not notice nor hear of any reliable reports of resource problems with Vista; I ran VMware on a Vista machine with no problems.

The main Vista issues for general users were, I think, that Microsoft changed the Start button from a button with "Start" written in it to an orb, which created a big outcry, and the intrusiveness of User Account Control asking for permissions.
Not quite. One of Vista's main issues was BSODs. They were pretty common until service pack 2 came out. What killed Vista was a lack of reliability more than aesthetics. I personally ran into BSODs on it, once after doing an update (it rebooted into a bsod and then booted OK when restarted) other times just out of nowhere.

This was on a laptop bought with Vista, so it wasn't due to aging hardware either.
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...Again, that is an issue with Metro. If you avoided Metro applications, you wouldn't notice the non-resizable windows or non-closable applications. (Actually, I'm pretty sure you could close the application from the task manager. Yet that is something that most users wouldn't be aware of or comfortable with.)

The biggest issue, in my opinion, with Windows 8 was system management. Simple put, some things are changed in the classic control panel and other things are changed in the modern control panel. That makes some settings difficult to find. Then again, that is something that end users shouldn't be encountering on a regular basis...
That is exactly as I see it too BWinmill. It always amazes me how the chattering classes promulgate all sorts of rubbish on the internet about things they have little or no experience of.

Regarding the window resizing one has to keep in mind that the "Metro" apps are not designed to be resized. Desktop applications work as designed, and generally faster too.

Regarding system management, those things accessible from the Control Panel in earlier versions remain accessible from the Control Panel, but new users may not recognise that is so. For myself, as I use the Control Panel a lot, on my own machines I just placed a tile to it on the Start page.

Another common complaint was in 8.0 it was a little circuitous to do a restart or shutdown. Again one could just put a tile for each on the Start page for a 1 click shut down. Now the average user may not readily know how to put a tile there for those functions which are, of course, not in the Applications List page but 2 minutes research on the internet and 5 minutes to do the job is all it would take them if they were inclined to try. When 8.1 introduced the left click restart/shutdown/etc. I actually removed the tiles but promptly replaced them because it is just so efficient using the Start Page.
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:36 PM   #198
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...So, what was the big stink about PCs that ran poorly even though they were rated capable? I remember something about 4GB being the sweet spot. Vague memories, since I don't use Windows.
I am afraid any big stink was not something that was smelled in the circles I work in and I don't recall it elsewhere.

What I think was a point was Vista 64 bit was really the first more commonly used 64 bit Windows OS. There was a 64 bit XP and Windows Server was available 64bit (if I remember correctly; we are chattering about an OS which is nearly 10 years old now) but they were not commonly used by non professional users. 32 bit XP and Vista do not use PAE so they can only address 4GB of RAM, and that is reduced by hardware demands. Also PC processing power was increasing rapidly, application sizes were also increasing all meaning more RAM improved performance.

Suddenly there was a lot of chatter about 4GB and 4GB is still a commonly recommended minimum for Win 7 and Win 8 but that does not mean PCs with less are unusable. I have an old notebook here with only 2GB RAM which I still use as it has a RS232 port on it which is useful for some of my work. It is 9 years old, was originally XP, transitioned to Win 7 then Win 8 and it works fine for general word processing and non complex spreadsheets, etc. It is also used for processing data from remote sensors, Digital Signal Processing, remote control, etc. in real time and works fine for those too. It will, of course, bog down quickly in comparison to a more powerful machine if, for example, one wants to convert a 50MB Delphi classic book from another format into EPUB.

Anyway, I see poster Shades is getting into their personal experience of BSOD, that being the signature claim of internet myth spawners. Talking to them is a bit like doing so with 5 year olds who have already made their minds up, so I am out of here with no further comments as I cannot waste time getting involved in such rubbish.

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Old 12-29-2014, 12:16 AM   #199
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Anyway, I see poster Shades is getting into their personal experience of BSOD, that being the signature claim of internet myth spawners. Talking to them is a bit like doing so with 5 year olds who have already made their minds up, so I am out of here with no further comments as I cannot waste time getting involved in such rubbish.
Ah, very mature. "It never happened to me, so therefore it's a myth." If it was just a myth, I don't think there would have been such a stink about the problem. I would have probably agreed with you if not for the fact that it didn't happen just once and it only happened on Vista and no other OS.

Then again, why am I replying to a member who calls me immature instead of replying in a civilized manner? Seriously, reading your posts here, it really sounds like Microsoft can do no wrong. You stereotype Linux users, as if someone can't just prefer to use Linux, they have to be a special case. You proclaim others as zealots, but you should really look in the mirror.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:28 AM   #200
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I am afraid any big stink was not something that was smelled in the circles I work in and I don't recall it elsewhere.

What I think was a point was Vista 64 bit . . . clip
Thanks AnotherCat. I think I understand that memory resources could be a problem in some circumstances, but it was okay if you knew how to deal with it.
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Old 12-29-2014, 03:13 AM   #201
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I get the impression that people are sticking with W7 until W10 comes out. (what happened to 9?) Kind of like they skipped from XP to 7. But that's just outside looking in.

I'm a KDE guy, but I've had a look at a lot of the others. I like xfce for a lighter desktop. That's what's on Gregg's xubuntu, isn't it? A good choice for a beginner.-) It's what my current OS came with, but I installed KDE for its comfortable familiarity. Nice to be able to do that, isn't it?
KDE was my first choice -- then I moved to Gnome when KDE had their first "big" change. But I've heard good things about the newest versions of KDE, it's actually much "lighter" than Gnome. By now though, I've been using Gnome 2 (Mate) for so long I'm pretty much invested in it. I used to like to experiment quite a bit -- but now I'm at the age where I just want to use my computer.

And Xubuntu is based on Xfce. I liked Xfce but -- at least on Vector Linux -- it was more work to keep updated and configure than was Mate. Vector Linux was also Slackware based so didn't have the Ubuntu repositories and I got to the point where I just wanted something simple -- basically click and point.
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Old 12-29-2014, 03:18 AM   #202
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Sigil 0.7.2 uses Qt4.
Xubuntu 14.10 comes default with Qt5. So, if that's the requirement to run whatever the newest version of Sigil is -- 0.8.2? -- then Gregg is "golden."

EDIT: If I wanted to run Qt5 on Linux Mint 13 (based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, first released in 2012) I could do it. Is Qt5 installation extremely difficult in Windows? I'm trying to figure out what the big deal is here.

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Old 12-29-2014, 03:31 AM   #203
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Is Qt5 installation extremely difficult in Windows? I'm trying to figure out what the big deal is here.
Given that it's a standard part of the Calibre installation, which innumerable Windows users install without difficulty, it would seem not to be difficult.
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Given that it's a standard part of the Calibre installation, which innumerable Windows users install without difficulty, it would seem not to be difficult.
I didn't think so, but I was beginning to wonder the way JSWolf goes on and on about it. It's easy to install in Linux also. So maybe we can get past this?
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@rcentros, I think you're missing a point about HarryT's answer and your question. HarryT says that Qt5 is installed with calibre 2.X and that's true. But you were asking about installing Qt5 in Windows over an older installation, so adding to it out of calbre environment. Those are two totally different situations.

Indeed, if you get calibre 2.0, you can install Qt5 over Windows XP, but you could find problems (in the same way you could find problems in LInux if you install a new package over an older distro), and as it looked like the problems were common, the installation was restricted inside calibre.
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Indeed, if you get calibre 2.0, you can install Qt5 over Windows XP, but you could find problems (in the same way you could find problems in LInux if you install a new package over an older distro), and as it looked like the problems were common, the installation was restricted inside calibre.
It's certainly true that QT5 isn't officially supported on Windows XP, but that's an entirely separate issue.
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It's certainly true that QT5 isn't officially supported on Windows XP, but that's an entirely separate issue.
Not really, because if you need to install calibre 2.X over XP for installing QT5, and calibre says: XP, not install....
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Not really, because if you need to install calibre 2.X over XP for installing QT5, and calibre says: XP, not install....
Yes, precisely. Because QT5 doesn't officially support Windows XP, as I said in my last message. It may work on some XP installations, but it doesn't work on a lot of them. A lot of development environments no longer support XP.
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Yes, precisely. Because QT5 doesn't officially support Windows XP, as I said in my last message. It may work on some XP installations, but it doesn't work on a lot of them.
Of course. So, it's not easy to install Qt5 over a Windows system if system is Windows XP (old computer).
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Of course. So, it's not easy to install Qt5 over a Windows system if system is Windows XP (old computer).
Yes, this is self-evident, because, as stated innumerable times, QT5 isn't supported under XP . I don't understand why you're labouring this obvious fact. QT5 is easy to install on environments in which it is supported.
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