Kindle Voyage - First Impressions

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by HarryT

... which kind of reinforces my suggestion that, after using it for a while, your brain simply stops being consciously aware of the colour hue.

But didn't you say you never saw it at all on your voyage? Whereas I saw it immediately within 2 seconds of turning mine on.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by HarryT

... which kind of reinforces my suggestion that, after using it for a while, your brain simply stops being consciously aware of the colour hue.

Or, also as likely: it is just as noticeable as ever, but the "I don't give a darn" attitude kicks in and you simply want to read the book. Who doesn't want to find out who lives and who dies?

With my PW I had this. Worried, worried, oh my this is going to distract me. Well it did because I worried about it bothering me. Once in the book I stop worrying - once in a while it strikes me as "oh blotches and color" for a second before being back in the action.

In hindsight am glad I didn't play the "find my unicorn amongst horses" perfect PW. Very happy with my PW, and my wife never cared eitder way. For her having the built in light was magical enough.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

But didn't you say you never saw it at all on your voyage? Whereas I saw it immediately within 2 seconds of turning mine on.

Yes, I think there are a variety of factors in operation here. I suspect that some people don't see it at all; some people will always see it, while others see it initially, but stop being consciously aware of it after a period of time. Everyone's brain works differently. I remember when I got my first eInk device (Sony PRS-500), my immediate reaction was "that black flash between pages is horrible!". A few hours later it was "black flash? what black flash?".

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

But didn't you say you never saw it at all on your voyage? Whereas I saw it immediately within 2 seconds of turning mine on.

I think he is referring to the magic fix of restarting the device or give it a day for the glue to dry. I don't believe that for a second. More likely our sensitivity towards defects varies throughout the day / lighting situations and the brain filtering it out kicks in.

There is no doubt manufacturing differences - even before front light some eink had darker background than a different device next to it.

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes, I think there are a variety of factors in operation here. I suspect that some people don't see it at all; some people will always see it, while others see it initially, but stop being consciously aware of it after a period of time. Everyone's brain works differently. I remember when I got my first eInk device (Sony PRS-500), my immediate reaction was "that black flash between pages is horrible!". A few hours later it was "black flash? what black flash?".

LOL. Yes, I do know what you mean. I wish I was able to say that two-toned screen is horrible! Wait, what two toned screen? .. but alas. The color hues I can't unsee. No matter, I've found a device I'm happy with which is all that matters.

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

I think he is referring to the magic fix of restarting the device or give it a day for the glue to dry. I don't believe that for a second. More likely our sensitivity towards defects varies throughout the day / lighting situations and the brain filtering it out kicks in.

There is no doubt manufacturing differences - even before front light some eink had darker background than a different device next to it.

I don't believe the glue drying bit either. As you said, most likely the brain filtering kicks it out. My brain apparently lacks that filter. Luckily, no filter needed for my H20. Yay.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

Well, that is untrue as I love my Kobo H20. And I was one of the people that was very vocal on the PW1 and 2 threads as I had a hard time finding decent ones. I even like my PW2, but the font is more washed out. It did take me a few tries to find a good PW2, but it was moreso due to other imperfections. Color hues on one, screen was very crooked on another and another had a bunch of glaring pinholes, etc.

My main issue is seeing color hues. Clearly some people are more sensitive to it than others. I wouldn't want to read a paperback that had blue, pink, and green tones on it.

It was impossible for me to find a PW1 I was happy with (color hue issues galore) and it was the same for the voyage, although I only tried one voyage and returned it, but I saw enough pics online to know it wouldn't work out for me. I now have the H20 and I'm extremely happy with the first one I received. Evenly lit screen and no color hues. So it's really not a matter of us being too picky to enjoy a reader with a light at all. Some of us simply have more sensitive eyes and see colors that others don't on some of the devices. In my case, I've only had an issue with Kindles.

I agree. I am VERY happy with my PW2s - my Voyages should have been so even in lighting. Despite being bottom lit just like the Voyages (with very bad gradiation diagonally on 1, horizontally on 1), my PW2s (just purchased) have even, beautifully lit screens. Huh? Wonder how that happened since I'm so picky? I must be off my "picky" game.

If the Voyages sent to me had looked 1/10th as good as my 2014 PW2s that I bought just after I returned the Voyages, I wouldn't have purchased the older devices.

[badgoodDeb]

Originally Posted by pghaworth

I agree. I am VERY happy with my PW2s - my Voyages should have been so even in lighting. Despite being bottom lit just like the Voyages (with very bad gradiation diagonally on 1, horizontally on 1), my PW2s (just purchased) have even, beautifully lit screens. Huh? Wonder how that happened since I'm so picky? I must be off my "picky" game.

If the Voyages sent to me had looked 1/10th as good as my 2014 PW2s that I bought just after I returned the Voyages, I wouldn't have purchased the older devices.

Hmmm. Maybe I should test out a PW2 before being satisfied with my Voyage (though I do like having the buttons, I find I touch the screen more often, as the buttons are quite position sensitive). I haven't noticed any color issues, but are the PW2's any better at position sensitivity? My touch screen (on the Voyage) doesn't touch near the edges of the screen -- despite the fact that the bookmark area *IS* near the edge of the screen.

I'm learning where to touch it, but are the PW2's better, touch-wise? Or is that the same technology?

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Hmmm. Maybe I should test out a PW2 before being satisfied with my Voyage (though I do like having the buttons, I find I touch the screen more often, as the buttons are quite position sensitive). I haven't noticed any color issues, but are the PW2's any better at position sensitivity? My touch screen (on the Voyage) doesn't touch near the edges of the screen -- despite the fact that the bookmark area *IS* near the edge of the screen.

I'm learning where to touch it, but are the PW2's better, touch-wise? Or is that the same technology?

I had problems with my KV#1 touch areas. At first they were fine, buttons, etc. Then after a FR in an attempt to fix the gradient they no longer responded properly. I loved the buttons (sort of) and the screen (touch part) beforehand and had no areas that wouldn't recognize - right up close to the edge for the screen and the buttons performed well, if a little sensitive. After the reset - which did nothing to help the gradient - the screen touch response had changed for the worse, didn't go all the way to the edge of the screen, and the buttons wouldn't respond in areas where they did before the FR. The buttons became much more localized and were very difficult to activate even on low. On low before the FR they were still overly "touchy". It was interesting to say the least.

I much prefer the PW2 for clarity, evenness, and touch over the Voyages I received. I just felt like the KVs I got weren't a finished product - half-baked, if you will. I wanted one so badly that I actually cried over the screen. When the second one was worse than the first, but differently - diagonal, instead of horizontal - I knew my gut was right and I had to wait for the KV2. The KV is a stunner to look at, but for reading (for me) it was a disaster, owing to the screen discoloration and the buttons. I eventually turned the buttons off, but could never reconcile the bad screen.

ETA - I ordered in my PW2 before I let the Voyage go so that I could compare and that's what helped me choose the PW over the KV.

[pghaworth]

One more thing. While I had the three devices - 2 KVs and 1 PW - I sat with the in my reading chair, side by side. The difference was striking. The gradients on the KVs were even more noticeable when compared to the evenness of the PW. It was like night and day for clarity. I don't regret my decision to go with the PW2 over the KV.

[Barty]

I tried two PW1. That was enough to know it wasn't for me. Tried two PW2 and kept the one that was more brownish but did not have a pin hole right in the middle. Staying away from the voyage because I don't think it's enough of an upgrade, don't want to lose my tweaks, and don't want to go through the return hassles.

I think if you have low tolerance for these screen faults / anomalies / imperfections, it's best to stay away from the first iteration (which this one is with the new flush screen) or, if you want to upgrade now, at least wait a few months to let Amazon iron out problems (if they are able and willing).

[javadoo]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Hmmm. Maybe I should test out a PW2 before being satisfied with my Voyage (though I do like having the buttons, I find I touch the screen more often, as the buttons are quite position sensitive). I haven't noticed any color issues, but are the PW2's any better at position sensitivity? My touch screen (on the Voyage) doesn't touch near the edges of the screen -- despite the fact that the bookmark area *IS* near the edge of the screen.

I'm learning where to touch it, but are the PW2's better, touch-wise? Or is that the same technology?

I absolutely love my PW2. I love everything about it. BUT-I HAD to have the Voyage and I have to say, I love my Voyage more. It's beautiful. There is nothing about the Voyage that I don't like.

It depends on what you're looking for though.
Again, still love my PW2 even though I have the Voyage.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Hmmm. Maybe I should test out a PW2 before being satisfied with my Voyage (though I do like having the buttons, I find I touch the screen more often, as the buttons are quite position sensitive).

Can you elaborate on this? Does the response to pressing vary along the line? Is the left different from the right?

[badgoodDeb]

KV button sensitivity: I find that I have to "aim" my press at the 3/4 point of the button (from the bottom up -- so 1/4 down from the top of the line). I guess this means that the whole of my thumb is now OVER the button, so perhaps that is what's needed. But if I put the pressing point of my thumb 1/4 from the bottom of the line, I can't press there. It seems to be looking for my entire thumb, even though I think I am only pressing with the top of the thumb. (Am I making sense?)

And this is with the pressure set to lowest amount required.

I'm getting used to it, so perhaps it's just a learning curve.

[Waitingforatrain]

When you reach a certain age you develop "floaters". For me it is like seeing little spiders or lint floating around. After a period of time my brain adjusted to them and now, I don't see them at all unless I really concentrate and focus on them. Some of that is also probably true with the screen "hue". With the hue, I am always thinking to myself is it yellow or is it just my imagination? When I am immersed in the book I don't notice it at all. I almost wish that I didn't know about the issue. I'd probably be perfectly happy with my KV otherwise.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Waitingforatrain

When you reach a certain age you develop "floaters". For me it is like seeing little spiders or lint floating around. After a period of time my brain adjusted to them and now, I don't see them at all unless I really concentrate and focus on them. Some of that is also probably true with the screen "hue". With the hue, I am always thinking to myself is it yellow or is it just my imagination? When I am immersed in the book I don't notice it at all. I almost wish that I didn't know about the issue. I'd probably be perfectly happy with my KV otherwise.

You are right about the floaters. I just concentrated on "seeing" them, and they are still there.