Kindle Voyage - First Impressions - Page 51

aceflor · 10-30-2014, 05:42 AM

So, here a pic of my PW2 (which I already consider to be very good) next to my Voyage. I will try to make more pics this evening with different lighting conditions.

This was taken with both device lights set at 10, but this was made with my phone because I don't have a camera here right now.

Yolina · 10-30-2014, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by aceflor

So, here a pic of my PW2 (which I already consider to be very good) next to my Voyage.

Looking good

OT: what's the book? I read the page displayed and I quite like it

soulfuldog · 10-30-2014, 06:02 AM

Your Voyage looks pretty good in that photo aceflor. I'm really very happy with my PW2, but from that picture, I can clearly see what people are meaning when they say the clarity of the text on the Voyage makes the PW text look almost blurry. It's very impressive in fact, but I'm still not upgrading though!

aceflor · 10-30-2014, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Yolina

Looking good

OT: what's the book? I read the page displayed and I quite like it

Gilles Martin-Chauffier "la femme qui dit non". Extremely good so far, style quite similar to "Au revoir là haut" by Pierre Lemaitre (Goncourt 2014) which I can also strongly recommend.

aceflor · 10-30-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by soulfuldog

Your Voyage looks pretty good in that photo aceflor, and I can clearly see what people are meaning when they say the clarity of the text on the Voyage makes the PW text look almost blurry.

Yes, photos do not render it that well I am afraid. Obviously the upper part of my Voyage is a tad creamier than the lower part, but considering the light source is in the lower part of the bezel I understand that you cannot have the exact samer tone everywhere, nevertheless the variance in mine is negligible. I agree that other Voyages I have seen here do look worse, I would not have settled for that either.

jbcohen · 10-30-2014, 07:27 AM

My question is this, does the voyage add $70 worth of value? That's a question each of us needs to answer ourselves and will most likely differ based on who you talk to. I don't the increased resolution since this is text, if this was a graphic book then I could see the emphasis on the resolution, how much resolution do you need to display text? Thus it comes down to the decrease in the size of the reader and the sensor. My question is this - do the new voyage owners like the sensor and decrease of the size enough to make it worth your extra dollars?

There are some advantages that I can see for the sensor, frequently I get out to the bus stop in the morning, and its too early for the sun to be up yet, and I turn on the paper white's book light and I frequently need to adjust the light a few times to get it right. The light sensor would eliminate that adjustments, since the reader is doing it I would imagine that the sensor would get it right the first time, unlike me.

aceflor · 10-30-2014, 07:45 AM

Well, for me it allows me to read without my glasses. Granted, this will last only a few months because my sight is decreasing and that's it, so at a certain point I will need the glasses again, because there is no way I want to read with a bigger than normal font size and have to turn page every 4 sentences. But that's just me.

As I said before somewhere here, no, it is not worth a difference of 90 EUR (in Germany). 80 $ ? Nah. 50 $ ? yes. I think Amazon went overboard this time, and do ask me about the covers. I got an origami plastic for 39$ and although it is great, it is also vastly overpriced. But, and that's what is important in the end, I don't regret getting both the Voyage and the case. I don't feel cheated, if that's what you are trying to guess. The Voyage is a premium product, if you don't need/want the bells and jingles, the PW2 does an excellent job too. But the definition and the contrast is definitely better on the Voyage. Anyone having had one next to a PW2 in the hand will confirm that.

The Voyage is not a product replacement for the PW2 in the Kindle range, it is a separate product placed in the premium segment. The strategy seems coherent to me. You don't have to get a Voyage to have a good quality e-reader, the PW2 does this very well. I don't understand the outcry, sincerely. We all still have a choice.....

DuckieTigger · 10-30-2014, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jbcohen

My question is this, does the voyage add $70 worth of value? That's a question each of us needs to answer ourselves and will most likely differ based on who you talk to. I don't the increased resolution since this is text, if this was a graphic book then I could see the emphasis on the resolution, how much resolution do you need to display text? Thus it comes down to the decrease in the size of the reader and the sensor. My question is this - do the new voyage owners like the sensor and decrease of the size enough to make it worth your extra dollars?

It comes down to decrease in size and light sensor to you. You already said it best: a question each of us needs to answer ourselves. For me the small weight and size reduction and the sensor are not worth it to upgrade even if the prize was the same. The flush front is nice and avoids stuck cat hair - not a must have though. The only reason to upgrade for me would be the increased resolution - without it is a no go.

I will hold off on deciding if it is worth to upgrade for the extra resolution when a perfectly good working PW1 is still here to read. It is still working fine, but it is not being used at the moment (as in not at all) due to my new phone being finally not too small any more. Before the jump to 5.7" screen on my Note 4 it was only comfortable to read on the bigger 6" PW for long periods at a time instead of my old phone.

DuckieTigger · 10-30-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aceflor

The Voyage is not a product replacement for the PW2 in the Kindle range, it is a separate product placed in the premium segment. The strategy seems coherent to me. You don't have to get a Voyage to have a good quality e-reader, the PW2 does this very well. I don't understand the outcry, sincerely. We all still have a choice.....

That is very well said. If it comes to a replacement (e.g. PW breaks) then it is not that much more to replace it with a Voyage. Upgrading just for upgrading sake is a tougher decision - only because the Voyage is availlable does not mean the PW all of a sudden became a lesser product that must be upgraded NOW.

Waylander · 10-30-2014, 09:08 AM

I saw a video review by Those Goodereader clowns, who claimed that the new Basic Kindle screen was actually sharper and crisper than the Voyage, and it certainly looked it on the video. However it depends whether this was due to the video, the Basic Kindle model or the Voyage model. Interesting thought though. If and when my PW1 gives up, I'll definitely have a look at the new Basic Kindle.

cct1 · 10-30-2014, 09:09 AM

For me, it's worth the extra money. The better resolution is just that much better, and having put a PW2 next to the Voyage, the screen is so much sharper on the Voyage it makes long reading sessions a breeze.

The autolight sensor doesn't work well, but I thought it adapts over time if you change the settings, in which case with time as it "learns" your lighting preferences it should be fine.

I like the buttons, I turned the haptic feedback off, but otherwise they are pretty darned good.

My screen lighting was awful though, perceptible at all light settings (although not bothersome on the lowest setting). The gradient from top to bottom is distracting, and it causes a difference in clarity of the text--the bottom text is super sharp, the top text appears almost a little smudged, like there is a film over the top of the device.

I want one of these with even (I'd even settle for close to even) lighting, and for the price they're asking, the frontlight should be at least as good, if not better, than the PW2. It's not, not even close.

My "old" basic Kindle is sharper than either PW1 or 2, despite the lower the ppi, but the Voyage screen, with the light low, is sharper than the basic. Adding all that technology to the screen also has an effect on clarity IMHO.

HarryT · 10-30-2014, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Waylander

I saw a video review by Those Goodereader clowns, who claimed that the new Basic Kindle screen was actually sharper and crisper than the Voyage, and it certainly looked it on the video. However it depends whether this was due to the video, the Basic Kindle model or the Voyage model. Interesting thought though. If and when my PW1 gives up, I'll definitely have a look at the new Basic Kindle.

You would expect it to be (somewhat) sharper and crisper, because it doesn't have the light diffuser of the Voyage. Any extra layer on top of the screen is going to impact image clarity.

SCION · 10-30-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jbcohen

My question is this, does the voyage add $70 worth of value? That's a question each of us needs to answer ourselves and will most likely differ based on who you talk to. I don't the increased resolution since this is text, if this was a graphic book then I could see the emphasis on the resolution, how much resolution do you need to display text? Thus it comes down to the decrease in the size of the reader and the sensor. My question is this - do the new voyage owners like the sensor and decrease of the size enough to make it worth your extra dollars?
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The clarity of the text in comparison to my PW2 is worth it. My eyes are shot with really bad astigmatism and myopia. I have monovision contact lenses and need reading glasses for small text. I need all the help I can get, and will gladly pay a premium for it.

jbcohen · 10-30-2014, 09:59 AM

I must admit that the voyage has a rather bad image with me for the simple reason is that its "top of the line." I do not feel that a dad with small kids should be working with a top of the line anything, which would be different if my mrs and I were DINKS (Double Income No Kids) or retired, however the top of the line seems like being to selfish to me. My 2012 paper white is old and slow, when compared to my fleet footed 2014 basic but it does the job adequately, when I go to the bus stop early in the morning its the only game in town, its dark out when I get to the bus stop. My 2014 basic is bottom of the barel but its a speedy bottom of the barel.

aceflor · 10-30-2014, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbcohen

I must admit that the voyage has a rather bad image with me for the simple reason is that its "top of the line." I do not feel that a dad with small kids should be working with a top of the line anything, which would be different if my mrs and I were DINKS (Double Income No Kids) or retired, however the top of the line seems like being to selfish to me. My 2012 paper white is old and slow, when compared to my fleet footed 2014 basic but it does the job adequately, when I go to the bus stop early in the morning its the only game in town, its dark out when I get to the bus stop. My 2014 basic is bottom of the barel but its a speedy bottom of the barel.

That pretty much answers your question now, doesn't it? Stay with your 2012PW and 2014 basic, or exchange the 2014 basic for a 2014 PW.

10-30-2014, 05:42 AM	#751
aceflor Wizard Posts: 3,472 Karma: 48036360 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: where the sun lives, or so they say Device: Pocketbook Era, Pocketbook Inkpad 4, Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Scribe	So, here a pic of my PW2 (which I already consider to be very good) next to my Voyage. I will try to make more pics this evening with different lighting conditions. This was taken with both device lights set at 10, but this was made with my phone because I don't have a camera here right now. Attached Thumbnails

10-30-2014, 06:02 AM	#753
soulfuldog I ♥ Calibre Posts: 2,073 Karma: 5678911 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis, Voyage, Sony PRS-350, Hudl2	Your Voyage looks pretty good in that photo aceflor. I'm really very happy with my PW2, but from that picture, I can clearly see what people are meaning when they say the clarity of the text on the Voyage makes the PW text look almost blurry. It's very impressive in fact, but I'm still not upgrading though! Last edited by soulfuldog; 10-30-2014 at 06:07 AM. Reason: Additional comment

10-30-2014, 07:45 AM	#757
aceflor Wizard Posts: 3,472 Karma: 48036360 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: where the sun lives, or so they say Device: Pocketbook Era, Pocketbook Inkpad 4, Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Scribe	Well, for me it allows me to read without my glasses. Granted, this will last only a few months because my sight is decreasing and that's it, so at a certain point I will need the glasses again, because there is no way I want to read with a bigger than normal font size and have to turn page every 4 sentences. But that's just me. As I said before somewhere here, no, it is not worth a difference of 90 EUR (in Germany). 80 $ ? Nah. 50 $ ? yes. I think Amazon went overboard this time, and do ask me about the covers. I got an origami plastic for 39$ and although it is great, it is also vastly overpriced. But, and that's what is important in the end, I don't regret getting both the Voyage and the case. I don't feel cheated, if that's what you are trying to guess. The Voyage is a premium product, if you don't need/want the bells and jingles, the PW2 does an excellent job too. But the definition and the contrast is definitely better on the Voyage. Anyone having had one next to a PW2 in the hand will confirm that. The Voyage is not a product replacement for the PW2 in the Kindle range, it is a separate product placed in the premium segment. The strategy seems coherent to me. You don't have to get a Voyage to have a good quality e-reader, the PW2 does this very well. I don't understand the outcry, sincerely. We all still have a choice..... Last edited by aceflor; 10-30-2014 at 07:51 AM.

10-30-2014, 09:09 AM	#761
cct1 Connoisseur Posts: 75 Karma: 81904 Join Date: Sep 2014 Device: multiple	For me, it's worth the extra money. The better resolution is just that much better, and having put a PW2 next to the Voyage, the screen is so much sharper on the Voyage it makes long reading sessions a breeze. The autolight sensor doesn't work well, but I thought it adapts over time if you change the settings, in which case with time as it "learns" your lighting preferences it should be fine. I like the buttons, I turned the haptic feedback off, but otherwise they are pretty darned good. My screen lighting was awful though, perceptible at all light settings (although not bothersome on the lowest setting). The gradient from top to bottom is distracting, and it causes a difference in clarity of the text--the bottom text is super sharp, the top text appears almost a little smudged, like there is a film over the top of the device. I want one of these with even (I'd even settle for close to even) lighting, and for the price they're asking, the frontlight should be at least as good, if not better, than the PW2. It's not, not even close. My "old" basic Kindle is sharper than either PW1 or 2, despite the lower the ppi, but the Voyage screen, with the light low, is sharper than the basic. Adding all that technology to the screen also has an effect on clarity IMHO. Last edited by cct1; 10-30-2014 at 09:12 AM.

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10-30-2014, 07:27 AM	#756
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,032 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	My question is this, does the voyage add $70 worth of value? That's a question each of us needs to answer ourselves and will most likely differ based on who you talk to. I don't the increased resolution since this is text, if this was a graphic book then I could see the emphasis on the resolution, how much resolution do you need to display text? Thus it comes down to the decrease in the size of the reader and the sensor. My question is this - do the new voyage owners like the sensor and decrease of the size enough to make it worth your extra dollars? There are some advantages that I can see for the sensor, frequently I get out to the bus stop in the morning, and its too early for the sun to be up yet, and I turn on the paper white's book light and I frequently need to adjust the light a few times to get it right. The light sensor would eliminate that adjustments, since the reader is doing it I would imagine that the sensor would get it right the first time, unlike me.

10-30-2014, 09:08 AM	#760
Waylander Guru Posts: 669 Karma: 2905052 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 5 16GB, Kindle Paperwhite 6, Kobo Clara,	I saw a video review by Those Goodereader clowns, who claimed that the new Basic Kindle screen was actually sharper and crisper than the Voyage, and it certainly looked it on the video. However it depends whether this was due to the video, the Basic Kindle model or the Voyage model. Interesting thought though. If and when my PW1 gives up, I'll definitely have a look at the new Basic Kindle.

10-30-2014, 09:59 AM	#764
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,032 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	I must admit that the voyage has a rather bad image with me for the simple reason is that its "top of the line." I do not feel that a dad with small kids should be working with a top of the line anything, which would be different if my mrs and I were DINKS (Double Income No Kids) or retired, however the top of the line seems like being to selfish to me. My 2012 paper white is old and slow, when compared to my fleet footed 2014 basic but it does the job adequately, when I go to the bus stop early in the morning its the only game in town, its dark out when I get to the bus stop. My 2014 basic is bottom of the barel but its a speedy bottom of the barel.