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Toxaris · 09-13-2014, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed

Are you also able to incorporate the suggestion I made to put the text that was in the last popup (even if it wasn't popped) into the error correction dialogue. IMO that would obviate the need to show the popups, except under circumstances that I can't imagine - yet

I actually did it different. It is in the title of the popup, so the information is available.

JSWolf · 09-13-2014, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitch

Tox:

We run into this all the time, particularly with older writers--many of today's newer authors don't even know the convention, but yes: if a person is having a moment of soliloquy, and going on and on with a long, multi-paragraph speech, the convention is, opening quotes on all the paragraphs, but closing quotes only on the last. And yes, it's a major pain in the tuchus, as you CANNOT know unless you read it.

I don't actually see any good way to automated-ly identify "run on dialogue" from "missing closing quotes.' When I've used your ePUBTools to help me clean something up, usually a bad scan we'll receive, I just muddle through by saying "no" on those paras that should NOT have a closing quote. NBD, FWIW. To my way of thinking, given how handy the tool is generally, it's a small price to pay.

Hitch

One easy way to know if it's multi-paragrah speech is the quote at the beginning of the next paragraph. If one paragraph has character A speaking and nobody else is talking and you hit the next paragraph with a quote, then delete the quote at the end of the previous paragraph. Simple really.

Hitch · 09-13-2014, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

One easy way to know if it's multi-paragrah speech is the quote at the beginning of the next paragraph. If one paragraph has character A speaking and nobody else is talking and you hit the next paragraph with a quote, then delete the quote at the end of the previous paragraph. Simple really.

Wolfie, dear lad:

Yes, indeed--if you have the time and inclination to READ the material. Some of we poor slaves are really quite pushed, you know, and don't have time to read the entire soliloquy of a character that goes on for 15 paragraphs. ;-) I agree, that if you're GOING to read it, sure: it's easy to tell. Not so easy to tell if you have zero desire to read the stuff. And, depending on what's being narrated, it's not always instantly apparent that it's more narrative, either, or NOT a new speaker.

Just sayin'. Has to be READ to be sure. VERY time-consuming.

Hitch

BetterRed · 09-13-2014, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxaris

I actually did it different. It is in the title of the popup, so the information is available.

Cool - And one stage I did imagine I saw it there, but I blinked and it wasn't there at all

Thanks for your patience.

BR

Toxaris · 09-13-2014, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One easy way to know if it's multi-paragrah speech is the quote at the beginning of the next paragraph. If one paragraph has character A speaking and nobody else is talking and you hit the next paragraph with a quote, then delete the quote at the end of the previous paragraph. Simple really.

Indeed, if you read the text. This issue is with OCR text. Quotes are often MIA, usually only single quotes, but I have had missing double quotes as well. In that case an automated tool would think it is a continued speech when it is actually not.
Anyway, I have incorporated it in the paragraph tag if users want to use it.

BetterRed · 09-13-2014, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One easy way to know if it's multi-paragrah speech is the quote at the beginning of the next paragraph. If one paragraph has character A speaking and nobody else is talking and you hit the next paragraph with a quote, then delete the quote at the end of the previous paragraph. Simple really.

If I'm understanding your Really Simple Solution as you intend it to be understood then:

Mary swept into the room looking like the cat that got the cream.
"It's a beautiful day."
"But I think it will rain later," said Fred gloomily.

would become:

Mary swept into the room looking like the cat that got the cream.
"It's a beautiful day.
"But I think it will rain later," said Fred gloomily.

Clearly the author intended that It's a beautiful day. be read as something that Mary said. By removing it's closing quote your rule attributes it to Fred, which is clearly not what the author intended.

BR

Toxaris · 09-19-2014, 02:01 PM

New version is out, version 1.8.0. Besides some fixes, there are also some new functions.

Major new functions:
- Possibility to switch off in between pop-ups about the actual fase to be executed in the check dialogues procedure
- Option to handle the additional quotes for quotation spanning multiple paragraphs

Keeping in mind the discussions in this and another thread, let me explain a little more about the last one. It is an option, so you must enable it for it to work.

How does it work? Imagine we have the following (I use double quotes, but it works the same for single quotes and guillemets):

Code:

“Talk talk talk.
That is all you do,” she said.

For this situation, it works as before whether the option is on or off. A popup will be displayed about the paragraph mark and a temporary paragraph tag could be inserted.

Code:

“Talk talk talk.
“That is all you do,” she said.

In this situation, the same popup will be displayed. With the option off there will be an additional popup after the popup for the paragraph with an error because of the second quote. With the option on, other behavior will be present. If a paragraph tag is inserted, the quote on the next line will also be tagged for the duration of the procedure. After the procedure, the quote will be restored.

This will also work if the next paragraph is not started with opening quotation marks, but closing (thanks for the example Jellby!).

This should make the 'dialogue procedure' a lot more usable for languages with that type of quotation style.

BetterRed · 09-19-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxaris

New version is out, version 1.8.0. Besides some fixes, there are also some new functions.

For me the Dialogue Checking without the 'where we're at' popups is a boon, easier, faster. I ran the check over the interview where I got the curious errors on unattributed dialogue - didn't get them. I did do some consequent changes to the text, in doing so I may have unknowingly corrected the issue.

Run on dialogue is good.

S&R settings working fine.

Thanks BR

Tex2002ans · 09-30-2014, 03:06 AM

Found a bug today with EPUB Import.

If you feed a book with no Title or no Author into EPUB Import, nothing happens.

Attached is an EPUB I just whipped up to test this bug by making a new EPUB in Sigil with a single paragraph, "This is just a sample EPUB with no Author or Title."

Toxaris · 09-30-2014, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

Found a bug today with EPUB Import.

If you feed a book with no Title or no Author into EPUB Import, nothing happens.

Attached is an EPUB I just whipped up to test this bug by making a new EPUB in Sigil with a single paragraph, "This is just a sample EPUB with no Author or Title."

Yup, found this one last weekend. Fix was easy enough. I am not quite sure it is a bug though, since the ePUB is not correct as the title/author is required. Anyway, it should not just ignore it without at least a message.
In the fix the ePUB is loaded anyway if the title and/or author is missing. I do not know when I will release the fix, as I am also adding new things. Probably in a week, perhaps two since this is not critical...

Tex2002ans · 10-02-2014, 06:18 AM

I also stumbled upon this Wikipedia article while researching some historical usage of symbols. "International variation in quotation marks":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...uotation_marks

It might be helpful on catching some even more odd variations of quotation marks that wasn't discussed previously.

Seems to me like there is every single variation under the sun. Left/Left, Left/Right, Right/Left, Right/Right, RightDown/LeftUp, LeftDown/RightUp, etc. etc.

Toxaris · 10-02-2014, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

I also stumbled upon this Wikipedia article while researching some historical usage of symbols. "International variation in quotation marks":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...uotation_marks

It might be helpful on catching some even more odd variations of quotation marks that wasn't discussed previously.

Seems to me like there is every single variation under the sun. Left/Left, Left/Right, Right/Left, Right/Right, RightDown/LeftUp, LeftDown/RightUp, etc. etc.

Yup, know that page. If you look in the settings, almost all combinations from that page are already available for selection/checking. The issue here was for multiparagraph quotations and the solution should work I think in a general method.

The next version, yup already working on it, will have the option to hide buttons for procedures you do not want. A small thing, but apparently there is a need for it.

BetterRed · 10-25-2014, 10:16 PM

I've had some intermittent and unrepeatable errors with Import EPUB into Word 2007.

I browse to the EPUB and select it, it appears to be working normally, and then suddenly (at a guess I would say when its finished importing and about to offer to save), a second instance of Word is opened and both instances are in a state where they can't be terminated (red button, alt/space close, alt/F4 etc) the only way is to Kill the WINWORD.EXE application in Task Manager.

Now comes a clue - when I restart Word and select Import EPUB and click the browse button it lands on the EPUB I was trying to import, when I press OK it imports successfully. Normally when I click the Browse button its at the Windows default location - Libraries\Documents - and I have to navigate elsewhere; the epubs I want to import are never in Libraries\Documents.

I did try uninstalling the other Add-in I use - Office Tabs. Still got the problem. Sometimes it'll be the 1st book I import, sometimes the 2nd or 3rd. I don't think I've been able to import more than 3 books without having to kill Word with Task Manager.

Also, it would be nice if EPUB Import remembered previous import location and let me navigate from there, likely as not the location I want to import from now, will be much closer to the previous import location, than it is to Libraries/Documents.

PS: my sideswipes at Libraries/Documents are a not a reflection on Epub Tools or its creator.

BR

Toxaris · 10-26-2014, 03:08 AM

I haven't seen that behavior yet, but I will try to reproduce. I do have some thoughts, but these have foundation yet. If it was consistent with a single ePUB, I had something to work with.

I will think about a strategy for the directory. A parameter would go too far I think.

Just in time btw, I just wanted to release an update today.

BetterRed · 10-26-2014, 04:58 AM

Hi Toxaris, I don't think its the data (i.e the EPUB) because it works fine after restarting Word. Don't worry about it too much now, its not a destructive problem and as annoyances go its fairly minor (for me at least) I'm sure I'll be able to discern a pattern before too long.

Re the location, no doesn't need a setting. If you could persist the location (folder) of the most recent EPUB Import that would be perfect for me. The only time you would need to fall back to the Windows default of Libraries/Documents would be if that location disappeared.

On a related matter, in that open file dialogue you restrict it to EPUB files. That's fine, but IMO you should have an All files (*.*) option in the drop down. I may want to rename something like file.epub.save3 to file.save3.epub.

Can you explain the purpose of the highlighted things in attachments ?

Thanks BR

09-19-2014, 02:01 PM	#157
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	New version is out, version 1.8.0. Besides some fixes, there are also some new functions. Major new functions: - Possibility to switch off in between pop-ups about the actual fase to be executed in the check dialogues procedure - Option to handle the additional quotes for quotation spanning multiple paragraphs Keeping in mind the discussions in this and another thread, let me explain a little more about the last one. It is an option, so you must enable it for it to work. How does it work? Imagine we have the following (I use double quotes, but it works the same for single quotes and guillemets): Code: “Talk talk talk. That is all you do,” she said. For this situation, it works as before whether the option is on or off. A popup will be displayed about the paragraph mark and a temporary paragraph tag could be inserted. Code: “Talk talk talk. “That is all you do,” she said. In this situation, the same popup will be displayed. With the option off there will be an additional popup after the popup for the paragraph with an error because of the second quote. With the option on, other behavior will be present. If a paragraph tag is inserted, the quote on the next line will also be tagged for the duration of the procedure. After the procedure, the quote will be restored. This will also work if the next paragraph is not started with opening quotation marks, but closing (thanks for the example Jellby!). This should make the 'dialogue procedure' a lot more usable for languages with that type of quotation style. Last edited by Toxaris; 09-20-2014 at 03:01 AM.

10-02-2014, 06:18 AM	#161
Tex2002ans Wizard Posts: 2,306 Karma: 13057279 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Kobo Forma, Nook	I also stumbled upon this Wikipedia article while researching some historical usage of symbols. "International variation in quotation marks": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...uotation_marks It might be helpful on catching some even more odd variations of quotation marks that wasn't discussed previously. Seems to me like there is every single variation under the sun. Left/Left, Left/Right, Right/Left, Right/Right, RightDown/LeftUp, LeftDown/RightUp, etc. etc. Last edited by Tex2002ans; 10-02-2014 at 06:21 AM.

10-25-2014, 10:16 PM	#163
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,771 Karma: 30237628 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	I've had some intermittent and unrepeatable errors with Import EPUB into Word 2007. I browse to the EPUB and select it, it appears to be working normally, and then suddenly (at a guess I would say when its finished importing and about to offer to save), a second instance of Word is opened and both instances are in a state where they can't be terminated (red button, alt/space close, alt/F4 etc) the only way is to Kill the WINWORD.EXE application in Task Manager. Now comes a clue - when I restart Word and select Import EPUB and click the browse button it lands on the EPUB I was trying to import, when I press OK it imports successfully. Normally when I click the Browse button its at the Windows default location - Libraries\Documents - and I have to navigate elsewhere; the epubs I want to import are never in Libraries\Documents. I did try uninstalling the other Add-in I use - Office Tabs. Still got the problem. Sometimes it'll be the 1st book I import, sometimes the 2nd or 3rd. I don't think I've been able to import more than 3 books without having to kill Word with Task Manager. Also, it would be nice if EPUB Import remembered previous import location and let me navigate from there, likely as not the location I want to import from now, will be much closer to the previous import location, than it is to Libraries/Documents. PS: my sideswipes at Libraries/Documents are a not a reflection on Epub Tools or its creator. BR Last edited by BetterRed; 10-26-2014 at 01:25 AM.

10-26-2014, 04:58 AM	#165
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,771 Karma: 30237628 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Hi Toxaris, I don't think its the data (i.e the EPUB) because it works fine after restarting Word. Don't worry about it too much now, its not a destructive problem and as annoyances go its fairly minor (for me at least) I'm sure I'll be able to discern a pattern before too long. Re the location, no doesn't need a setting. If you could persist the location (folder) of the most recent EPUB Import that would be perfect for me. The only time you would need to fall back to the Windows default of Libraries/Documents would be if that location disappeared. On a related matter, in that open file dialogue you restrict it to EPUB files. That's fine, but IMO you should have an All files (.) option in the drop down. I may want to rename something like file.epub.save3 to file.save3.epub. Can you explain the purpose of the highlighted things in attachments ? Thanks BR Attached Thumbnails

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10-26-2014, 03:08 AM	#164
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	I haven't seen that behavior yet, but I will try to reproduce. I do have some thoughts, but these have foundation yet. If it was consistent with a single ePUB, I had something to work with. I will think about a strategy for the directory. A parameter would go too far I think. Just in time btw, I just wanted to release an update today.