XP not happy with Sigil 0.8.0

BobC · 09-28-2014, 03:06 PM

Installed Sigil 0.8.0 on my Win XP SP3 machine. Install went fine but when I try to launch Sigil it complains that sigil.exe is not a valid Win32 application.

I used Sigil-0.8.0-Windows-Setup.exe for the install.

Is this expected behaviour for users of XP ?

BobC

Doitsu · 09-28-2014, 03:10 PM

According to user_none, Windows XP is not supported.

theducks · 09-28-2014, 03:14 PM

It was not Happy for the Beta on XP either.
XP is no longer being supported by the packages used to develop both Sigil or Calibre.

Linux? if your box does not support the newer (bloated) Windows

(And, Yes, I think the installer should just reject an install attempt on any too far down rev OS )

DiapDealer · 09-28-2014, 03:28 PM

I'll be honest... I'm sad to see support for XP and OS X < 10.9 go by the wayside with Sigil and calibre (and other software). I understand why support is being dropped, but it's still a shame that machines with OSes that seemed perfectly capable of running Sigil 0.7.4 (w/QT5) should be denied the opportunity to run 0.8.0. At least calibre has given XP users the option to "run from source" to get around the limitation.

I'd be more than happy to compile an unofficial/unsupported version of v0.8.0 that I believe would work on any XP machines that were able to run 0.7.2/3/4 without issues, but I'm reluctant to make waves or create support/bug-report nightmares.

BobC · 09-28-2014, 04:52 PM

Thanks all for the info - I did look around to see if there was a warning anywhere but missed it.

I did notice all the QT5 stuff that was installed and expected to have some issues (like with Calibre).

Ah well - back to 0.7.4 which did a perfectly good job.

BobC

user_none · 09-28-2014, 05:21 PM

@DiapDealer be my guest. There were a number of OS X packages floating around that weren't officially supported.

The XP stuff is also my mistake. I was supposed to disallow XP installations in the installer before release but I completely forgot.

DiapDealer · 09-28-2014, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by user_none

@DiapDealer be my guest. There were a number of OS X packages floating around that weren't officially supported.

Thanks. I'll see what I can do.

BetterRed · 09-28-2014, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC

I did notice all the QT5 stuff that was installed and expected to have some issues (like with Calibre).

But the all the same 'QT5 stuff' that 0.7.4 installed - difference is that 0.8.0 ships QT v5.3.1, whereas 0.7.4 ships QT v.5.1.0.

BR

theducks · 09-28-2014, 08:59 PM

I must be using a custom build (I sure did not build it).

DiapDealer · 09-28-2014, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

I must be using a custom build (I sure did not build it).

I think you probably grabbed the build I made for Windows that added KevinH's "Preserve Entities" feature. Should see that in Preferences if so (since it wasn't a part of the stock 0.7.4).

theducks · 09-28-2014, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I think you probably grabbed the build I made for Windows that added KevinH's "Preserve Entities" feature. Should see that in Preferences if so (since it wasn't a part of the stock 0.7.4).

Right you are

(I went to my archive of installers and that was the full name)

BetterRed · 09-28-2014, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

I must be using a custom build (I sure did not build it).

Indeed, and I think we've been here before - I can't recall where I got mine, from Google I think - how many bits is yours, mine's 32.

You may recall I raised the apparent anomaly that Qt 5.3.1 did not create a problem with Sigil in the calibre/XP discussions, and I postulated that perhaps the problem was not in Qt itself but in the python wrappers.

And for the record Kovid didn't stop supporting XP as a policy decision when he released 2.0. He made that decision after the release because of the excessive number of user reported problems on XP, and not without some reluctance/regret I suspect.

BR

user_none · 09-28-2014, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

You may recall I raised the apparent anomaly that Qt 5.3.1 did not create a problem with Sigil in the calibre/XP discussions, and I postulated that perhaps the problem was not in Qt itself but in the python wrappers.

It has nothing to do with the python wrappers. they're not even loaded unless you set a python path and run a plugin. It is due to Qt and the updated build chain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

And for the record Kovid didn't stop supporting XP as a policy decision when he released 2.0. He made that decision after the release because of the excessive number of user reported problems on XP, and not without some reluctance/regret I suspect.

This is the reason I'm not putting effort into XP and made it a policy decision.

JSWolf · 09-29-2014, 03:25 PM

In order to have a chance of running anything that uses Qt5 on XP, you need to have XP with SP3 and you need to have a processor that supports SSE2. If the processor is too old to support SSE2, don't even bother trying the custom build (posted in another thread in the Sigil forum).

09-28-2014, 03:06 PM	#1
BobC Guru Posts: 691 Karma: 3026110 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lancashire, U.K. Device: BeBook 1, BeBook Pure, Kobo Glo, (and HD),Energy Sistem EReader Pro +	XP not happy with Sigil 0.8.0 Installed Sigil 0.8.0 on my Win XP SP3 machine. Install went fine but when I try to launch Sigil it complains that sigil.exe is not a valid Win32 application. I used Sigil-0.8.0-Windows-Setup.exe for the install. Is this expected behaviour for users of XP ? BobC

09-28-2014, 03:28 PM	#4
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,570 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	I'll be honest... I'm sad to see support for XP and OS X < 10.9 go by the wayside with Sigil and calibre (and other software). I understand why support is being dropped, but it's still a shame that machines with OSes that seemed perfectly capable of running Sigil 0.7.4 (w/QT5) should be denied the opportunity to run 0.8.0. At least calibre has given XP users the option to "run from source" to get around the limitation. I'd be more than happy to compile an unofficial/unsupported version of v0.8.0 that I believe would work on any XP machines that were able to run 0.7.2/3/4 without issues, but I'm reluctant to make waves or create support/bug-report nightmares. Last edited by DiapDealer; 09-28-2014 at 04:55 PM.

09-28-2014, 08:59 PM	#9
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,057 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	I must be using a custom build (I sure did not build it). Attached Thumbnails

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Doitsu Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,727 Karma: 24031401 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle PW2	According to user_none, Windows XP is not supported.

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theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,057 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	It was not Happy for the Beta on XP either. XP is no longer being supported by the packages used to develop both Sigil or Calibre. Linux? if your box does not support the newer (bloated) Windows (And, Yes, I think the installer should just reject an install attempt on any too far down rev OS )

09-28-2014, 04:52 PM	#5
BobC Guru Posts: 691 Karma: 3026110 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lancashire, U.K. Device: BeBook 1, BeBook Pure, Kobo Glo, (and HD),Energy Sistem EReader Pro +	Thanks all for the info - I did look around to see if there was a warning anywhere but missed it. I did notice all the QT5 stuff that was installed and expected to have some issues (like with Calibre). Ah well - back to 0.7.4 which did a perfectly good job. BobC

09-28-2014, 05:21 PM	#6
user_none Sigil & calibre developer Posts: 2,487 Karma: 1063785 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida, USA Device: Nook STR	@DiapDealer be my guest. There were a number of OS X packages floating around that weren't officially supported. The XP stuff is also my mistake. I was supposed to disallow XP installations in the installer before release but I completely forgot.

09-29-2014, 03:25 PM	#14
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,756 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	In order to have a chance of running anything that uses Qt5 on XP, you need to have XP with SP3 and you need to have a processor that supports SSE2. If the processor is too old to support SSE2, don't even bother trying the custom build (posted in another thread in the Sigil forum).